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Re: Salvation of the wicked !!! #14100
07/07/05 01:49 PM
07/07/05 01:49 PM
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Yes, of course. Why? Because God said so. In reality, though, I very much doubt that God would ever ask me to kill someone, and I know He wouldn't ask me to murder anyone. I cannot fathom a situation where God would tell me to kill someone nowadays. Now, if I was a soldier in King David's army, so many years ago, then, yes, I would be slaughtering people by the dozens. Not because I'm some kind of a phenomenal warrior, but because God would bless my efforts and my sword.

Re: Salvation of the wicked !!! #14101
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Yes, of course. Why? Because God said so. In reality, though, I very much doubt that God would ever ask me to kill someone, and I know He wouldn't ask me to murder anyone. I cannot fathom a situation where God would tell me to kill someone nowadays. Now, if I was a soldier in King David's army, so many years ago, then, yes, I would be slaughtering people by the dozens. Not because I'm some kind of a phenomenal warrior, but because God would bless my efforts and my sword.

Re: Salvation of the wicked !!! #14102
07/07/05 06:48 PM
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Roger Morneaus book "Beware of Angels: Deceptions in the Last Days" describes some people who become convinced that God called them to kill others. This isnt a game.

/Thomas

Re: Salvation of the wicked !!! #14103
07/07/05 08:14 PM
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In the Middle Ages people committed unspeakable acts of torture to "save" the "heretics" from eternal torment. Our picture of God has profound implications in regards to our actions.

Re: Salvation of the wicked !!! #14104
07/07/05 09:00 PM
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God ordered King David to war against the enemy and he killed thousands of people on the battle field, and he will be in heaven. How does King David differ from those people who carried out orders by the Pope, the Vicar of Christ, during the Dark Ages? They truly believed they were doing the will of God.

By the way, don't get me wrong here, I'm not advocating killing people in the name of God. I'm pretty sure that plan was limited to the Promised Land, back when Israel was God's chosen people. However, there is Ezekiel 9. "... even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand... slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women."

Re: Salvation of the wicked !!! #14105
07/07/05 11:14 PM
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I think MM that you are missing the topic of this discussion. It’s taken this bad turn again, which it seems to have such tendency to do, namely; destruction instead of salvation.

Why is death and killing so much on your mind when you could be thinking, life, love , grace, salvation, mercy, peace …?

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Re: Salvation of the wicked !!! #14106
07/07/05 11:20 PM
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The gospel should be a “warning bell” in our minds, to tell us there is something wrong; if whenever we think of God, we think of death, killing, and destruction.

Or do you think of salvation by destruction? That is the manner of this world.

God’s way is different.

Re: Salvation of the wicked !!! #14107
07/07/05 11:41 PM
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I agree that it's way more enjoyable to talk about God saving people. However, all three of the final warning messages, described in Revelation 14, focus on . . .

Revelation
14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

5T 455, 456
God has called His church in this day, as He called ancient Israel, to stand as a light in the earth. By the mighty cleaver of truth, the messages of the first, second, and third angels, He has separated them from the churches and from the world to bring them into a sacred nearness to Himself. He has made them the depositaries of His law and has committed to them the great truths of prophecy for this time. Like the holy oracles committed to ancient Israel, these are a sacred trust to be communicated to the world. The three angels of Revelation 14 represent the people who accept the light of God's messages and go forth as His agents to sound the warning throughout the length and breadth of the earth. Christ declares to His followers: "Ye are the light of the world." To every soul that accepts Jesus the cross of Calvary speaks: "Behold the worth of the soul: 'Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.'" Nothing is to be permitted to hinder this work. It is the all-important work for time; it is to be far-reaching as eternity. The love that Jesus manifested for the souls of men in the sacrifice which He made for their redemption, will actuate all His followers. {5T 455.2}

Re: Salvation of the wicked !!! #14108
07/08/05 12:06 AM
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It has nothing to do with being more enjoyable; but it has to do with blessing. It has to do with salvation. It has to do with the Lord's bidding: "Go and preach this Gospel".

The way you use the scriptures is destructively.

Re: Salvation of the wicked !!! #14109
07/08/05 12:09 AM
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John Boskovic  Offline OP
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Anyhow, if you prefer the destruction thoughts, then there is a thread for your pleasure, called the "destruction of the wicked" there.

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