In Gethsemane, to the east of Jerusalem, Jesus became the brazen serpent, sin for us.

Then He was brought in the city at the hand of wicked men.

Then led out of the sheep gate to the North where Golgotha is.

This is where the Brazen Serpent was hung on the pole.

We need to look and live.

Than you, thank you, thank you Daryl, this was an excellent article!

Amen! Good point. It was the blood of the sacrificial animals slain in the outer court that made it possible for the sins of the penitent to be transferred to the MHP. This symbolizes what Jesus accomplished for us before He died on the cross. What happened on the Day of Atonement symbolizes what Jesus will do when He transfers the sins of the saved to Satan at the end of time. Saved sinners do not die the second death. Neither did Jesus. He voluntarily laid down His life on the cross after He tasted and defeated the second death. He did not die in a lake of fire. It is Satan and the unsaved sinners who will die the second death in the lake of fire. "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Pastor Rodriquez wrote: "The second death is the final penalty for sin, the total and eternal elimination of evil powers and sin in God's creation." And Ellen White wrote: Satan "must bear the final penalty" (GC 422). He "will at last suffer the full penalty of sin in the fires that shall destroy all the wicked" (GC 486).

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This is what Pastor Rodriguez said in that article for the Biblical Research Institute.

"It's impossible for us to understand fully what the second death entails, because the only one who went through it and came back was Jesus. Therefore, we must carefully approach this subject, beginning by examining the passages in which the phrase "second death" is used and then exploring Jesus' experience."

Then later he said...

"Third, Jesus experienced the anguish of His separation from the Father in the most real form (Matt. 27:46). He confronted the pain of God's abandonment. The anguish of His soul had a spiritual component in that He was the rejected one. This is unquestionably the second death. Of course, Christ came back to life. He was resurrected because there was no sin in Him and the tomb could not retain Him. For believers, Jesus' resurrection is an expression of God's love. For the wicked, going into eternal oblivion may well be an expression of that same love. The second death marks the extermination of sin and death from the universe. Because Jesus paid the penalty for our sin, our destiny is communion with God and the Lamb throughout eternity, achieved for all who believe in Him through His death and resurrection."

The WHOLE article supports the fact that Jesus DID die the Second Death. So how can you have the nerve to say otherwise? Do you just assume no one else is reading the link and you want to subvert the the minds of those who are just reading this argument?

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"In the Garden of Gethsemane Christ suffered in man’s stead, and the human nature of the Son of God staggered under the terrible horror of the guilt of sin, until from His pale and quivering lips was forced the agonizing cry, “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me”.... Human nature would then and there have died under the horror of the sense of sin, had not an angel from heaven strengthened Him to bear the agony.... Christ was suffering the death that was pronounced upon the transgressors of God’s law. {AG 168.2}

In the Garden Christ was suffering the death that us sinners deserve. He was still suffering this death when He died physically on the cross.

Here's that whole quote...

"O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou will. Matthew 26:39. {AG 168.1}
In the Garden of Gethsemane Christ suffered in man’s stead, and the human nature of the Son of God staggered under the terrible horror of the guilt of sin, until from His pale and quivering lips was forced the agonizing cry, “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me”.... Human nature would then and there have died under the horror of the sense of sin, had not an angel from heaven strengthened Him to bear the agony.... Christ was suffering the death that was pronounced upon the transgressors of God’s law. {AG 168.2}
It is a fearful thing for the unrepenting sinner to fall into the hands of the living God. This is proved by the history of the destruction of the old world by a flood, by the record of the fire which fell from heaven and destroyed the inhabitants of Sodom. But never was this proved to so great an extent as in the agony of Christ, the Son of the infinite God, when he bore the wrath of God for a sinful world. It was in consequence of sin, the transgression of God’s law, that the Garden of Gethsemane has become pre-eminently the place of suffering to a sinful world. No sorrow, no agony, can measure with that which was endured by the Son of God. {AG 168.3}
Man has not been made a sin-bearer, and he will never know the horror of the curse of sin which the Saviour bore. No sorrow can bear any comparison with the sorrow of Him upon whom the wrath of God fell with overwhelming force. Human nature can endure but a limited amount of test and trial. The finite can only endure the finite measure, and human nature succumbs; but the nature of Christ had a greater capacity for suffering.... The agony which Christ endured, broadens, deepens, and gives a more extended conception of the character of sin, and the character of the retribution which God will bring upon those who continue in sin. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ to the repenting, believing sinner. {AG 168.4}
The sword of justice was unsheathed, and the wrath of God against iniquity rested upon man’s substitute, Jesus Christ, the only begotten of the Father. {AG 168.5}

This was in Gethsemane, before Jesus died on the cross.

James, I'm having difficulty in understanding what you see MM as rejecting. MM said:

And before he had said: