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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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07/11/12 11:19 AM
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The first beast of Rev. 13 shows it has merged within itself the empires of the past. (bear feet, mouth of lion, body leopard). . .
So in Rev. 17 -- the beast seems to have merged from the "three" (dragon, beast 1, beast 2) into "one". Notice he is now red. Dedication, I agree with what you wrote above. Chapters 12, 13 and 17 are like when Christ described the end times combining the descriptions of the last days with the destruction of Jerusalem. The same applies here in all three chapters - 12, 13 and 17. That is, just as Jerusalem is a precedent for the last days, the persecution of the Papacy for 1260 years foreshaddows the final conflict. Chapter 13 contains several clues that all of it applies primarily to the end. One of the main ones that hasn't been discussed much here is that the whole world follows the first beast. That never occured during the dark ages. Islam limited the growth of Papal influence and before that the Mongols. The Eastern Church maintain it's large spheere of influence. India and the orient with the large populations and ancient cultures were largely unaffected and there were thriving native empires in the new world.
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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07/11/12 03:04 PM
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Where do you get the assumption that I said the 144,000 come from the Northern Hemisphere? Do you see mention of them anywhere here? The 144,000 will be symbolically like 12,000 sets of twelve apostles covering the whole world. This is what I have believed for over 10 years.
What I said in response to. #143978 Who's going to flee? The 144,000. You seem to say they are only in the northern hemisphere. Unless you are saying you don't care about those elsewhere. Whether milder or otherwise, winter is still winter. We are to pray that our flight, which happens at the Sunday Law decree, does not occur in winter so children and the weak will not be exposed to get hypothermia. If our prayers are answered, the flight would be in spring or Fall which is also when Orion's Belt, the direction Jesus comes from, can be seen world wide. In fact the feast of Tabernacles (late Sept - Oct) occurs in our Fall around the Autumnal equinox (Sept 22) so this would be the ideal time for Jesus to come in fulfillment of the feast. (Just a theory)
Consider what dedication said. Jesus also asked us to pray that the time of trouble does not occur on the Sabbath. So if the prayers are answered, which I have no reason to believe they will not be, the Sunday law would be ratified on another day of the week so we do not have to travel on the Sabbath, which most Adventists do anyway (something to think about) so we can get far enough away from our homes not to be caught.
Same as with the winter. What justification do you have to separate the two, the Sabbath and the winter? I do know it will take longer than a week for the time of trouble but it is not years as presented by my friend Mark.
Why. The statement is the same. Please explain why you can separate the two. As I mentioned before, the 10 horns lend their strength to the beast for 'about one hour' in Rev 17. This one hour in prophetic time comes to two literal weeks.
I believe Satan will appear as an angel of light and the world will wander after the beast and enforce his dogma in support of the false miracles he presents and the leaders of the fallen protestant churches will give their support of this Satanic/ Papal delusion, the sixth of the seven last popes appearing to be sent from God to prepare for the Satanic false coming of Jesus. So when he walks the earth before the kings and leaders of earth the world will fall headlong after him and give their strength to supporting this delusion, then prophecy will be fulfilled with lightning speed.
But you're forgetting the "eighth". If it's the eighth head that walks the earth and deludes people into think he is Christ, the 7th comes before, which will take time to prepare everything. So two literal weeks after the satanic delusion the plagues will come. All in all, it will take about a month to fulfill the rest of the end time prophecies once the man of sin is revealed and we are filled with the later rain. Doesn't the plagues come when probation closes? Doesn't probation close before the one hour? And don't the plagues come in one day? And probation doesn't close until everyone has had a chance to decide, which happens after the Sunday law? And isn't the Sunday law in place way before the satanic delusion? I suppose you would ask how does he delude people if probation has closed for them. How does he delude people after the 1000 years? It's not a delusion of their choice of salvation, but a delusion that they are doing right to kill people who don't worship the way he wants. Consider a typical dedicated, Sunday worshiping, person. If they passed laws saying they could kill people who either don't believe in God, or don't worship a certain way, how many do you think would actually kill people? This takes time and delusion for satan to set things in place to get people to exterminate others.
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
[Re: jamesonofthunder]
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07/11/12 03:32 PM
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Could be. What I saw is the bottom half blinking black with the image and the top half with minimal white along the bottom edge of Alaska and the very northern portion of Canada where it's broken up and where not many people live and on Greenland. Are looking at the same animated map that covers the whole year in animated elapsed time as I posted? Look at the snow FALL not the antarctic where no one lives. Look at the inhabited areas of the Southern Hemisphere. Do you see significant snowfall accumulate in the south where the people are? Chile gets the most down under but it is mostly in the mountains where very few people live. It never gets to -40 in the inhabited regions of down under. Unless you are in the Himalayan mountains it barely ever gets to the minus side of the Fahrenheit scaled thermometer (0 F = -18 C). If you have never been there why do act like an expert? I've been around the world and I speak from experience.
Seeing no snow in Africa does not mean there is snow elsewhere. Going to Africa and confirming no snow does not mean there's snow elsewhere. A poor argument. Maybe you meant to say something else. By the way, I'm sure you'll be greatly delighted, when I view the image today, the bottom half is no longer blinking and the top half has much snow over a major portion. So no, we weren't looking at the same animated map, said the blind man holding the elephant's trunk. I wondered what the purpose of the bottom half blinking meant...
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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07/11/12 08:21 PM
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Argentina and Chile are in South America the southern most point toward the Antarctic THE COLDEST TEMPS IN THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE not Africa Mr Contrary.
To see the animation more clearly it sounds like you need to clear your Temporary internet files. It will not flow properly with a couple of gigs of temp files piled up.
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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07/11/12 08:54 PM
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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07/12/12 07:23 PM
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See this is what I'm talking about. Are you playing ignorant just to illicit a response or do you just not get it? Is your "huh" for the fact that You don't know that I was not talking about Africa being the coldest inhabitable place in the Southern Hemisphere, or was it because you don't know what Temp Internet files are and how they slow down browser response times?
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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07/12/12 07:38 PM
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First; to see the animated illustration properly you need to clean your temp internet files. (make sure browser is closed when cleaning)
Go to Majorgeeks.com and download 'CCleaner Slim' and run it using default settings. (No toolbar or spyware; safe) This should speed up the animation if you want to see it clearly.
Second; You do know that the closer you get the the arctic or the antarctic the suns light is less in winter because the axis of the earth and this causes deeper cold weather in winter right?
There is no light in winter at the poles in other words, so the closer you get to the poles the lack of light in winter causes deeper cold weather, correct? So to find the coolest regions of each hemisphere it is pretty obvious that you look for the place that is closest to the poles or where the largest mountains are which are cold because of elevation.
South Africa is thousands of miles away from the Antarctic with a huge ocean between them as a buffer zone from the cold.
South America is much closer to the antarctic and has the longest Mountain range in the world and gets the lowest mean temps in the Southern Hemisphere, and their temps do not even come close to being as cold as the majority of land in the Northern Hemisphere. Now do you get it?
That being said, why do you argue about things you have no clue about? Peace.
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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07/13/12 04:28 PM
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See this is what I'm talking about. Are you playing ignorant just to illicit a response or do you just not get it? Is your "huh" for the fact that You don't know that I was not talking about Africa being the coldest inhabitable place in the Southern Hemisphere, or was it because you don't know what Temp Internet files are and how they slow down browser response times? Still withstanding your poor logic argument, my "huh" was because you are still talking about me not seeing snow on the map when I clearly acknowledge I wasn't looking at the same image. You even recognized this by giving advise as to why I wasn't able to see the image, even if it was not the reason.
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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07/13/12 08:09 PM
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And still you argue.
Once I realized you probably weren't refreshing properly on your browser I tried to help.
You are the first person to say that what I'm sharing here is 'poor logic'.
Last edited by jamesonofthunder; 07/13/12 11:05 PM.
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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07/14/12 02:12 AM
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By the way, if that animation did not work on your computer, too many temp files is exactly why it wasn't working properly because that is the only thing that could stop it. How long does it take for each page to load? If your using Firefox and it don't work then you're really overloaded. It should work well enough even if your on dial-up with your RAM maxed out.
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