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Is the fruit of abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature sinful and selfish?
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Matthew
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Luke
6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Philippians
2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Galatians
5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
1 John
3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1 Peter
4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
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Re: Is the fruit of abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature sinful and selfish?
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I see no evidence in any of the passages above that the fruit of abiding in Jesus yields sin-stained results.
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Re: Is the fruit of abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature sinful and selfish?
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I see no evidence in any of the passages above that the fruit of abiding in Jesus yields sin-stained results. Yes, sure, but as love agape growth with the maturing of the fruit of the Spirit, faithful believers might still do the thing of the flesh, for there is still "self" in us, till glorification. We are justified by faith even our deeds fall short of the agape love of God, even we still do the deeds of the flesh.
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Re: Is the fruit of abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature sinful and selfish?
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I see no evidence in any of the passages above that the fruit of abiding in Jesus yields sin-stained results. Yes, sure, but as love agape growth with the maturing of the fruit of the Spirit, faithful believers might still do the thing of the flesh, for there is still "self" in us, till glorification. We are justified by faith even our deeds fall short of the agape love of God, even we still do the deeds of the flesh. What is the difference between believers and unbelievers so far as sin and selfishness is concerned?
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Re: Is the fruit of abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature sinful and selfish?
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I see no evidence in any of the passages above that the fruit of abiding in Jesus yields sin-stained results. Yes, sure, but as love agape growth with the maturing of the fruit of the Spirit, faithful believers might still do the thing of the flesh, for there is still "self" in us, till glorification. We are justified by faith even our deeds fall short of the agape love of God, even we still do the deeds of the flesh. "The people who are at war with the law of the great Jehovah, who consider it a special virtue to talk, and write, and act the most bitter and hateful things to show their contempt for that law, may make a high and exalted profession of love to God, and apparently have much religious zeal, as did the Jewish chief priests and elders; yet in the day of God, “Found wanting” will be said by the Majesty of heaven. By the law is the knowledge of sin. The mirror which would discover to them the defects in their character, infuriates them, because it points out their sins. But the people who profess to keep the law of God, he corrects, he reproves. He points out their sins, and lays open their iniquities, because he wishes to separate all sin and wickedness from them, that they may perfect holiness in his fear, and be prepared either to die in the Lord, or to be translated to heaven. God will rebuke, reprove, and correct them, that they may be refined, sanctified, elevated, and finally exalted to his own throne. {RH September 7, 1886, par. 8} Ample provisions have been made for all who sincerely, earnestly, and thoughtfully set about perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Power and strength, grace and glory, have been provided through Christ, to be brought by ministering angels to the heirs of salvation. None are so low, and corrupt, and vile, but that they can find in Jesus, who died for them, strength, purity, and righteousness, if they will put away their sins, stop their course of iniquity, and turn with full purpose of heart to the living God. He is waiting to strip them of their garments, stained and polluted by sin, and to put upon them the white, bright robes of righteousness; and he bids them live and not die. In him they may flourish. Their branches will not wither nor be fruitless. If they abide in him, they can draw sap and nourishment from him, be imbued with his Spirit, and walk even as he has walked, overcome as he has overcome, and be exalted to his own right hand. {RH September 7, 1886, par. 9} Does this sound like it happens after death? The garments of Christs Righteousness is available to everyone right now. He took the sin stained garments and put on His robe, why? So we continue to sin? You continually prove who you listen to. The devil is the one who says God cannot cleans us from sin in this life.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Is the fruit of abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature sinful and selfish?
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I see no evidence in any of the passages above that the fruit of abiding in Jesus yields sin-stained results. Yes, sure, but as love agape growth with the maturing of the fruit of the Spirit, faithful believers might still do the thing of the flesh, for there is still "self" in us, till glorification. We are justified by faith even our deeds fall short of the agape love of God, even we still do the deeds of the flesh. "The people who are at war with the law of the great Jehovah, who consider it a special virtue to talk, and write, and act the most bitter and hateful things to show their contempt for that law, may make a high and exalted profession of love to God, and apparently have much religious zeal, as did the Jewish chief priests and elders; yet in the day of God, “Found wanting” will be said by the Majesty of heaven. By the law is the knowledge of sin. The mirror which would discover to them the defects in their character, infuriates them, because it points out their sins. But the people who profess to keep the law of God, he corrects, he reproves. He points out their sins, and lays open their iniquities, because he wishes to separate all sin and wickedness from them, that they may perfect holiness in his fear, and be prepared either to die in the Lord, or to be translated to heaven. God will rebuke, reprove, and correct them, that they may be refined, sanctified, elevated, and finally exalted to his own throne. {RH September 7, 1886, par. 8} Ample provisions have been made for all who sincerely, earnestly, and thoughtfully set about perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Power and strength, grace and glory, have been provided through Christ, to be brought by ministering angels to the heirs of salvation. None are so low, and corrupt, and vile, but that they can find in Jesus, who died for them, strength, purity, and righteousness, if they will put away their sins, stop their course of iniquity, and turn with full purpose of heart to the living God. He is waiting to strip them of their garments, stained and polluted by sin, and to put upon them the white, bright robes of righteousness; and he bids them live and not die. In him they may flourish. Their branches will not wither nor be fruitless. If they abide in him, they can draw sap and nourishment from him, be imbued with his Spirit, and walk even as he has walked, overcome as he has overcome, and be exalted to his own right hand. {RH September 7, 1886, par. 9} Does this sound like it happens after death? The garments of Christs Righteousness is available to everyone right now. He took the sin stained garments and put on His robe, why? So we continue to sin? You continually prove who you listen to. The devil is the one who says God cannot cleans us from sin in this life. That's why you need His robe to cover your sins, because you always did sin. Otherwise you don't need that robe
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Re: Is the fruit of abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature sinful and selfish?
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I see no evidence in any of the passages above that the fruit of abiding in Jesus yields sin-stained results. Yes, sure, but as love agape growth with the maturing of the fruit of the Spirit, faithful believers might still do the thing of the flesh, for there is still "self" in us, till glorification. We are justified by faith even our deeds fall short of the agape love of God, even we still do the deeds of the flesh. What is the difference between believers and unbelievers so far as sin and selfishness is concerned?
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Re: Is the fruit of abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature sinful and selfish?
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I see no evidence in any of the passages above that the fruit of abiding in Jesus yields sin-stained results. Yes, sure, but as love agape growth with the maturing of the fruit of the Spirit, faithful believers might still do the thing of the flesh, for there is still "self" in us, till glorification. We are justified by faith even our deeds fall short of the agape love of God, even we still do the deeds of the flesh. What is the difference between believers and unbelievers so far as sin and selfishness is concerned? What is the difference between faith and love (agape)? A believer might have faith without love (1 Corinthians 13). An unbeliever might have love without faith (Romans 2). Both are falling short of the love of God, and did sin.
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Re: Is the fruit of abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature sinful and selfish?
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Is the "love" you named the same in believers and unbelievers?
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Re: Is the fruit of abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature sinful and selfish?
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Is the "love" you named the same in believers and unbelievers? Must be the same, the unselfish love of God - agape.
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