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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
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08/21/12 04:53 PM
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People that have transfered their assets into physical gold or silver or land will not be affected as those that did not. Those that have kept their trust in the existance economic infrastructure created, controled, and rigged by Mystery Babylon, will loose all their assets if kept in any paper form. When these banks true books will be shown publically and be proven to be walking zombies for many years; they will will fall and all that they have stamps and issued will loose their value.
There is still a little time to make the transfer of your savings. Please do not take my word for it and do make your personal research and pray about it beforehand.
Transferring imaginary wealth to pavement will not be helpful. It won't do you any good. Even assuming not the end of the world, gold is useless. Guns and gas would be valuable. Consider New Orleans after Katrina. Gold didn't help anyone very much during that time. Drinking water was valuable, though. But maybe we should be transferring our wealth for giving the gospel. Before it's too late.
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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
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08/29/12 09:57 AM
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Elle : People that have transfered their assets into physical gold or silver or land will not be affected as those that did not. …
Kland: Transferring imaginary wealth to pavement will not be helpful. It won't do you any good. You are making the assumption that at Jesus’ 2nd coming we will go to heaven. You could be wrong. This is not biblically founded. There is an overwhelming biblical references that the overcomers and the rest of the nations will remain on earth. Here’s a few references : Rev 20:4,6 “… they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him for a Thousand years.” Rev 5:10 “… And hast made us unto our God Kings and priest; and we shall reign on the earth” Daniel prophesies point that after all those beast kingdom’s time is done, the saints will be given the kingdom of the earth. Daniel 7:14-22 “…18. The saints…shall take the kingdom…27 and the kingdom and dominion…given to the people of the saints….22. Judgment was given to the saints…and the time came that the saints possessed the Kingdom.” Dan 2:35 “…and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.” Jesus is the High Priest that inherits all nations(the whole world) by which He will rule via His Priests(Saints). It is because Jesus inherits the world, that we were made co-inheriters with him. So with Him we will reign the earth. This is what the Bible teaches and shows in the type of the Israelites entering the land of Canaan. This idea of going to heaven is based on a misunderstanding 1Thess. We can discuss this further in this discussion that Daryl had started here . Now let's assume that everyone will remain on earth after the fall of Mystery Babylon(Rothschild Empire). Now if, after the fall of Babylon, the world decides to recognize gold and silver as solid currency and use this as collateral for backing their new banking system, then those people who have transferred their savings from the “old Babylonian system” to what the new economical system recognizes as trust worthy collateral by buying gold and silver, they will not suffer any lost. Those that has not done so will end up with paper that is no longer recognized as having value. But maybe we should be transferring our wealth for giving the gospel.
Before it's too late. I agree that our wealth should be used for the gospel spreading in the whole world as prophesized in Dan 2:35 “… and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.” However, how are you going to evangelize the world with worthless paper money and bonds?
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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
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08/30/12 09:26 PM
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You are making the assumption that at Jesus’ 2nd coming we will go to heaven. You could be wrong. This is not biblically founded. There is an overwhelming biblical references that the overcomers and the rest of the nations will remain on earth. Here’s a few references :
Rev 20:4,6 “…they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him for a Thousand years.” Rev 5:10 “…And hast made us unto our God Kings and priest; and we shall reign on the earth”
How do you see Rev 5 connected to Rev 20 and how do you see them referring to the same time period? Now let's assume that everyone will remain on earth after the fall of Mystery Babylon(Rothschild Empire).
Now if, after the fall of Babylon, the world decides to recognize gold and silver as solid currency and use this as collateral for backing their new banking system, then those people who have transferred their savings from the “old Babylonian system” to what the new economical system recognizes as trust worthy collateral by buying gold and silver, they will not suffer any lost. Those that has not done so will end up with paper that is no longer recognized as having value.
Whaa-a-a-a ? Whether you can support not going to heaven is one thing, but I'd be entertained to see you support gold, silver, or any other monetary currency being of use after the fall of Babylon. Along with that, the idea some will be out of luck while reigning with Jesus. That is reeally weird. The JW I was talking to didn't even say anything about currency.
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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
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08/31/12 03:52 AM
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There will be a supernatural being claiming to be "christ" who will appear and try to rule the world by force. Indeed under his rule many people will be "in want". It will be a terrible time.
BUT IT WON'T BE JESUS the Savior.
The whole concept is totally contrary to Christ's way.
God allowed sin because He doesn't want forced obedience. He desires the obedience of love and trust. It was to demonstrate the horrors of sin, in contrast to the blessings and peace and goodness of God's ways that sin was permitted.
In the end Christ isn't going to come and FORCE the nations through war and blood shed, to accept Him as Lord and king. And rule over them for 1000 years with a rod of iron, forcing them into submission. That is satan's way, not God's way.
In the end Christ will come and since He is the source of life, those who rejected Him will no longer have life. The "rod of iron" will make them "as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:" (Rev. 3:27)
Jesus takes the saved to "His Fathers house", where He has prepared a place for them. (See John 14:1-3)
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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
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08/31/12 01:22 PM
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Good point. "christ" is coming to this earth and will be using a currency system. It just won't be the Savior.
If one stockpiles currency and sees a benefit to it in the "kingdom" or sees that it's not a benefit since they didn't have the right kind, they probably have bigger things they should worry about other than currency. It's just they won't be worried about that.
Lu 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
Mt 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mt 6:19 ¶ Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: Mt 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
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09/01/12 02:57 AM
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Who is Babylon?
That is a very important question.
Who is Babylon?
No, it's not the present banking system, corrupted as it may be. Babylon is symbolized by A WOMAN (See Rev. 17) A woman in prophetic symbolism represents a church that professes to be Christ's bride.
So what is happening in the world? True the economic situation in the world is bad. It could crash anytime. And of course if it crashes utter chaoes will reign in this world.
But THAT IS NOT THE BABYLON FALLEN!
Out of confusion the real Babylon will rise to great power! Babylon is fallen, is present tense -- Babylon is spiritually fallen.
However, the deception will SEEM like the real thing! IT will seem like a great revival, it will be based on talk about "return to God" to seek His blessing, only it will be a "conversion" to Babylon (a combination of spiritualism, "new age" with christianity) and at the head will be the papacy, and by his side the protestants.
Into this "restoration and reform' a "christ' will appear as the great healer and king, but it won't be Jesus, the Creator and Redeemer of scripture. It will be Lucifer in glorious array (but still the devil) Sunday worship will be urged, and everyone who dares resist will be marked for death!
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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
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09/01/12 03:09 AM
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When the REAL CHRIST comes, God's faithful will be caught up into the air to be with Him. (1 Thess. 4:16,17)
Christ's angels will gather the elect from the four directions Matt. 24
Christ has come to take them to His "father's house" where mansions were prepared for the them! (John 14:1-3)
Any appearing of a "Christ" on earth is not the TRUE Christ.
Matt. 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Neither will the wicked be alive on earth following Christ's coming.
Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all. 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Rev. 19:21 And the rest were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
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09/01/12 07:27 PM
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Two very good posts by dedication.
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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
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09/04/12 07:15 PM
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True the economic situation in the world is bad. It could crash anytime. And of course if it crashes utter chaoes will reign in this world.
But THAT IS NOT THE BABYLON FALLEN!
Out of confusion the real Babylon will rise to great power! Babylon is fallen, is present tense -- Babylon is spiritually fallen.
So you don't think that Babylon is working / has been working behind the scenes to cause the economic collapse?
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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
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09/06/12 10:19 PM
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True the economic situation in the world is bad. It could crash anytime. And of course if it crashes utter chaoes will reign in this world.
But THAT IS NOT THE BABYLON FALLEN!
Out of confusion the real Babylon will rise to great power! Babylon is fallen, is present tense -- Babylon is spiritually fallen.
So you don't think that Babylon is working / has been working behind the scenes to cause the economic collapse? Babylon as in what?
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