Some of them would be Rom. 6:6, 14, 18, 22; 8:2; Jude 24


None. True Christians never sin habitually, or never keep on sinning, although they occasionally succumb to temptation.


Are we supposed to interpret these words to mean newborn believers never commit sin and cannot sin (it’s impossible for them to sin)?

This is not what the passage, as you quoted it, says. Please read it again.

It means perfecting holiness, which sometimes involves sinning and repenting. However, I think the growth process involves many more sins of omission than sins of comission. When you fail to love or to demonstrate love as you should, you are sinning.

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Truly being saved does not occur until Jesus comes down to get us! PERIOD!

1 John 3:9 is not saying that everyone who has been born again CANNOT sin. It is saying that if we abide IN CHRIST we do not sin.

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"Peter’s fall was not instantaneous, but gradual. Self-confidence led him to the belief that he was saved, and step after step was taken in the downward path, until he could deny his Master. Never can we safely put confidence in self or feel, this side of heaven, that we are secure against temptation. Those who accept the Saviour, however sincere their conversion, should never be taught to say or to feel that they are saved. [Note from the White Trustees: It is the privilege of the Christian to know that on his acceptance of Christ he is saved from his [past] sins and can rejoice in this salvation. But neither the Scriptures nor the Spirit of Prophecy writings supports the popular teaching: “Once saved, always saved.” A person may be saved today, but failing to keep his eyes on Jesus and to grow daily in Him, may become self-confident and be lost tomorrow. The apostle Paul declared, “I die daily.” In a sense, conversion is a daily experience."] {NL 41.1}

(A Wise person would see this as saying that since you think you are saved right now, you are FULL OF YOURSELF! The devil teaches what you are teaching here.)

"Those who accept Christ, and in their first confidence say, I am saved, are in danger of trusting to themselves. They lose sight of their own weakness and their constant need of divine strength. They are unprepared for Satan’s devices, and under temptation many, like Peter, fall into the very depths of sin. We are admonished, “Let him that thinketh he standeth, take heed lest he fall” (1 Corinthians 10:12). Our only safety is in constant distrust of self, and dependence on Christ." [Christ’s Object Lessons, 154, 155.] {NL 41.2}

Being born again is the first step in newness of life. When we are forgiven, we walk in forgiveness until we sin again, then we must be forgiven again. But while we are forgiven and walk in forgiveness, we have all of the power of heaven on our side to keep us from sinning. If you have not experienced this then what makes you think you are fit to teach others about the most important aspect of walking with Christ?

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Moses and Peter and David and Solomon had all received forgiveness for their sins (saved from their past sins) and walked in this forgiveness, or newness in the life of Christ, until they fell. Then they again repented for their sins, and were again restored into the life of Christ.

EVERY TIME WE SIN WE FALL. THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAD NOT BEEN BORN AGAIN!

WHEN WE REPENT WE ARE RESTORED.

GOD WANTS US TO RECOGNIZE OUR WEAKNESS AND LEARN TO COMPLETELY SUBMIT TO THE POWER HE HOLDS OUT TO US THROUGH THE MEEKNESS OF HIS SON AS AN EXAMPLE.

JESUS WAS TEMPTED AND COULD HAVE FALLEN, UNTIL HE PASSED HIS TEST AND STRUGGLE IN THE GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE WHEN HE WAS SEALED WITH THE SPIRIT AND THE SECOND SIGN OF THE DOVE OVERSHADOWED HIM. THIS WAS SYMBOLIC OF THOSE WHO WILL STAND IN CHRIST AFTER THE END OF PROBATION. WHEN JESUS SAID, "NOT MY WILL FATHER, BUT YOUR WILL BE DONE" HE WAS SHOWING US THE PATH THAT SUSTAINS US IN HIM!

JESUS DID NOT OVERCOME SIN BY ANY OTHER POWER THAN WHAT IS AVAILABLE TO US. HE WANTS US TO SEE THIS SO WE CAN ATTAIN HIS FAITH.

These are all quintessential elements to salvation, and you don't get it but still feel as if you are promoted by God to be a teacher?

Romans 3:25
King James Version (KJV)

"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

"Mark the humble life of the Son of God. He was a “man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief.” Behold his ignominy, his agony in Gethsemane, and learn what self-denial is... The warfare has been left in our hands by our great Leader for us to carry forward with vigor. We are not doing a twentieth part of what we might do if we were awake. The work is retarded by love of ease, and a lack of the self-denying spirit of which our Saviour has given us an example in his life," —Testimonies for the Church 3:406. {GW92 69.2}

"It is a fearful thing for the unrepenting sinner to fall into the hands of the living God. This is proved by the history of the destruction of the old world by a flood, by the record of the fire which fell from heaven and destroyed the inhabitants of Sodom. But never was this proved to so great an extent as in the agony of Christ, the Son of the infinite God, when He bore the wrath of God for a sinful world. It was in consequence of sin, the transgression of God’s law, that the Garden of Gethsemane has become pre-eminently the place of suffering to a sinful world. No sorrow, no agony, can measure with that which was endured by the Son of God." {5BC 1103.3}

"The Garden of Eden with its disobedience and the Garden of Gethsemane with its obedience are presented before us. What a costly work was that in Eden! How much was involved in the fatal eating of the forbidden tree! But many are following in the very same footprints, in disobedience, in breaking away from the law of God. When men selfishly enter a course of disobedience to God they go on imperceptibly. They do not calculate what the sure result will be when they enter the path of temptation, and make but feeble efforts to resist, and some make none at all. But when the scroll is unrolled, and God looks over it, He will find that He has been denied in that place, dishonored in another place; and as the roll is opened more and more, the results of un-Christlike actions are revealed. The Word of God was not fed upon, therefore their actions were not the result of eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the Son of God (Letter 69, 1897). {5BC 1103.5}
The Garden of Eden with its foul blot of disobedience, is to be carefully studied and compared with the Garden of Gethsemane, where the world’s Redeemer suffered superhuman agony when the sins of the whole world were rolled upon Him.... Adam did not stop to calculate the result of His disobedience (Manuscript 1, 1892). {5BC 1103.6}

John wrote, "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not". I qualified what John wrote. Did I overstate or understate what he said?


In what sense does "perfecting holiness" include sinning?

Do these passages describe believers producing sin-stained fruits of the Spirit?


What is the difference between "shall fail often" and "occasionally succumb to temptation"?


We are supposed to interpret these words to mean newborn believers do not and cannot commit known sins while they are consciously choosing to abide in Jesus. It is impossible to commit known sins while thus connected to Christ. They must neglect or refuse to abide in Jesus to commit known sins.

I've never believed that. You didn't understand anything I said, which means it's useless to discuss with you.