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Did God kill Christ? #14596
06/15/05 10:53 PM
06/15/05 10:53 PM
Tom  Offline OP
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I wrote this, "What is denied is that God killed Christ."

to which the following response was given:

"But this cannot be denied, unless you believe that what killed Christ was just the cross."

So I thought an interesting topic of discussion would be, what is it that killed Christ?

Re: Did God kill Christ? #14597
06/15/05 11:39 PM
06/15/05 11:39 PM
Will  Offline
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God did not kill Christ. In fact God sent His only begotten Son, and Jesus if He wanted to could have said no, but did the Fathers will which was to atone for our sins by His blood, and we are reconciled to God through Jesus Christ. It was sin that resulted in the ultimate sacrifice from Jesus Christ.
God Bless,
Will

Re: Did God kill Christ? #14598
06/16/05 03:46 AM
06/16/05 03:46 AM
Ikan  Offline
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Amen, Will!

Re: Did God kill Christ? #14599
06/16/05 10:19 AM
06/16/05 10:19 AM
Cheri Fritz  Offline
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Greetings Everyone,

Yes Br. Will, you are absolutely correct.

In fact, I will supply from our morning devotional what we were reading yesterday morning. I hope you enjoy reading it as much as I did.

quote:
An Appeal for Watchfulness

"Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak." (Mark 14:38).


The mind of man cannot conceive of the unutterable anguish that tortured the soul of our Redeemer. The holy Son of God had not sins or griefs of His own to bear: He was bearing the griefs of others. . . . Through divine sympathy He connects Himself with man, and as the representative of the race He submits to be treated as a transgressor. He looks into the abyss of woe opened for us by our sins, and proposes to bridge the gulf of man's separation from God. . . .

His burden of guilt, because of man's transgression of the Father's law, was a so great that human nature was inadequate to bear it. The sufferings of martyrs can bear no comparison with the agony of Christ. The divine presence was with them in their sufferings; but the Father's face was hidden from His dear Son.

How cruel for the disciples to permit sleep to close their eyes, and slumber to chain their senses, while their divine Lord was enduring such inexpressible mental anguish! If they had remained watching they would not have lost their faith as they beheld the Son of God dying upon the cross. This important night watch should have brought them strength to witness the unspeakable agony of the Son of God. It would have prepared them, as they should behold His sufferings upon the cross, to understand something of the nature of the overpowering anguish which He endured in the Garden of Gethesemane. And they would have been better able to recall the words He had spoken to them in reference to His sufferings, death, and resurrection; and, amid the gloom of that terrible, trying hour, some rays of hope would have lighted up the darkness and sustained their faith.

[Many today] do not see the importance of self-knowledge and self-control. They do not watch and pray, lest they enter into temptation. If they would watch, they would become acquainted with their weak points, where they are most likely to be assailed by temptation. With watchfulness and prayer their weakest points can be so guarded as to become their strongest points, and they can encounter temptation without being overcome. Every follower of Christ should daily examine himself, that he may become perfectly acquainted with his own conduct. There is with nearly all a neglect of self-examination."



What a lovely topic Br. Tom, for it reveals the emense sacrifice that our Savior offered up for us!

Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri Fritz

Re: Did God kill Christ? #14600
06/16/05 11:34 AM
06/16/05 11:34 AM
Rosangela  Offline
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From one perspective, it was God’s wrath against sin which killed Christ.

“It was the guilt of sin, bringing the Father's wrath upon him as man's substitute, that broke the heart of the Son of God.” {PrT, February 4, 1886 par. 1}

And the same will happen with the wicked at the Day of Judgment.

Re: Did God kill Christ? #14601
06/16/05 07:04 PM
06/16/05 07:04 PM
Tom  Offline OP
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quote:
From one perspective, it was God’s wrath against sin which killed Christ.

“It was the guilt of sin, bringing the Father's wrath upon him as man's substitute, that broke the heart of the Son of God.” {PrT, February 4, 1886 par. 1}

And the same will happen with the wicked at the Day of Judgment.

I think everyone here agrees with this. The question is what God's wrath means. Does that mean that God killed Christ? Or does it mean that God delivered Him up? (i.e. allowed something to happen to Him)

Re: Did God kill Christ? #14602
06/16/05 07:06 PM
06/16/05 07:06 PM
Tom  Offline OP
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Thank you, Cheri. Certainly trying to understand the life, death and ressurection is a worthy endeavor. May God bless us on our quest.

Re: Did God kill Christ? #14603
06/18/05 02:13 AM
06/18/05 02:13 AM
Cheri Fritz  Offline
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Gloversville, NY, USA
Greetings Brother Tom,

I like your last question because my Bible teacher in my freshman year of Academy described to us a wonderful way to understand God's wrath. Here is what he said:

God's wrath is turning away in loving disappointment.

This small sentence always reminded me of much. It told of the great sacrifice and the great depth of love that our Savior has for us! He does not want to turn away from one soul, yet He will not force His path on any person who does not choose it. Further He does not even force the faithful into obedience, for our Lord provides freedom of choice at every turn and avenue of our lives. What a tremendous God we have!


Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri Fritz

Re: Did God kill Christ? #14604
06/17/05 05:23 PM
06/17/05 05:23 PM
Tom  Offline OP
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Well said, Cheri!

Re: Did God kill Christ? #14605
06/18/05 02:13 AM
06/18/05 02:13 AM
Ikan  Offline
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Amen! And I would add this phrase to it:

"God's wrath is turning away in loving disappointment for the hardness of their hearts.

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