Try this site: http://www.lnfbooks.com/

I tried Leaves of Autumn, and they don't have anything by Fifield at the moment, nor do they have the 1897 GCB (or any other, except for 1901).

The above listed site had God is Love listed, but no current copies, but you can request to be put on a waiting list. It had a pamphlet type thing called "the law of love" for $10.00.

I don't see any difference between the quotes you presented regarding imputed righteousness and John B.'s view. Do you John B.?

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Therefore, how could God forgive the perpetrator of such a monstrosity without at the same time demonstrating how much He hates the monstrous act that was perpetrated? This is what the cross is all about. God does not excuse sin.

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Up to here, we all agree. The cross is indeed about demonstrating the truth about sin, death, ourselves, the devil, and above all God.

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God punishes sin because it is sin, because it is monstrous, because it is heinous, because it is deserving of punishment. So, to be coherent with Himself, God couldn’t forgive the sinner without punishing sin.

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This part is getting difficult to understand. Sin is evil and causes misery, pain and death. The cross demonstrates this. God must heal us from sin, or it will kill us. God's doing something unrelated to healing us would not in any way help us. The cross heals us by demonstrating the realities involved.

As Fifield well put it, "The life of Christ was not the price paid to the Father for our pardon; but that life was the price which the Father paid to so manifest his loving power as to bring us to that repentant attitude of mind where he could pardon us freely."

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But, so that the sinner wouldn’t die, He punished sin in Himself.

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This is true, but not in the sense that God had to punish something. Only by dying could we be healed, so God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) out of His great love paid the price that was necessary to redeem us.

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In the same way we, in order to forgive, must separate the act committed from the person who committed it, otherwise we won’t be able to forgive.

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Yes, but we don't have to punish the act in some arbitrary way in order to forgive the person, and neither does God. God forgives out of the goodness of His heart, which is just what He asks us to do. The only difference is that God's heart if good by nature, and we need a heart transplant for ours.

Rosangela, you are avoiding forgiveness altogether. Do not mix what it takes to be saved with what it takes to forgive. The two are not one and the same.

How do you forgive? Why are you unwilling to answer?

How do you love your enemies? How do you do good to them that despitefully use you? It is pretty clear they are not repentant while they are your enemies.

Roseangela mused

"May God’s grace be with you each day, for I don’t think forgiveness is a once-for-all experience in such cases, for every time the pain returns you must forgive again."

With Jesus and me, it is a once-given-to-Him-I-am-free-of-the-pain "case". Once the Master explained to me what happened and why, I forgave the man, I was free. This is a gift from God, offered to all Christians, if they will come to Him.
It is those who seek blood, revenge, who fester in hate and regret that never receive His grace at all, but wallow in emotions prompted by self and Satan in an endless cycle of darkness. Such Christ can never use for Gospel work, as freedom for darkness is what It's all about. You can't preach what you have not experienced...at least not God's way of preaching.

I appreciate your sympathy, but its warmth is checked by ideas like this:

"In the same way we, in order to forgive, must separate the act committed from the person who committed it, otherwise we won’t be able to forgive."

I cannot trick myself with mental gymnastics like this; my daughter's murderer is known to me only as the doer of the act, his heart filled with the Sin disease. He was who his actions portrayed, heart and soul. Bitter water = bitter spring. Evil heart = evil deeds. Those who "forgive" deeds and leave the spring untouched must ignore Christ's call for a new heart, making it a call for merely better actions.

Christ died by full exposure to this sin, my sins, your sins from Gethsemane to the Cross. As per Their agreement, the Father, holy angels did not intervene, but allowed the full weight of sin crush my Saviour. This Christ volunteered to do, long before. He must, for all created beings wisdom, become a man and show how to be saved as well as how much Satan hates man and God in his murdering Him through us.

Amen Phil, Praise be to him, glory and honour and all power. Halleluyah!

Phil, you misunderstood Rosangela. What she meant by this

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In the same way we, in order to forgive, must separate the act committed from the person who committed it, otherwise we won’t be able to forgive.

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was not that we must forgive the deed and not the one that committed the act, but the reverse; we must forgive the one who committed the deed while hating the deed that was committed.

I'm hesitant to speak for another, but I'd be shocked if this isn't what she had in mind.

The similarity she was drawing to God is that He hates the sin while He loves the sinner; He forgives the sinner, but not the sin.

I also agree with her sentiment about time. I went through a similar experience, and for me to be healed took a long time. As I was healed I was able to forgive, a little bit more each time. I'm not discounting your experience in any way, but I understand what Rosangela wrote, and what she wrote describes my experience.

Perhaps I did misunderstand: we will see from her reply.

I was hoping to share that the whole matter of forgiveness does not require anything but the gift of forgiveness offered by Him for those who ask and take it... We need not wait for it to evolve, although that seems to be the experiences of the majority, and for me as well before I learned differently.

As I said:

"It is those who seek blood, revenge, who fester in hate and regret that never receive His grace at all, but wallow in emotions prompted by self and Satan in an endless cycle of darkness. Such Christ can never use for Gospel work, as freedom for darkness is what It's all about. You can't preach what you have not experienced...at least not God's way of preaching."

I cannot see God as seeking our ideas of revenge, justice or satisfaction, especially when He requires us to forgive.

It is those who will not forgive, whether church folk or not, who will have their sins rolled back upon them at the Judgment because they have not consciously sent them to the Sanctuary above where Christ deals with them.

Tom,

Thank you so much for having expressed in clearer words what I meant. You understood my thoughts correctly. In order to forgive a person we must dissociate him/her from the act, for the act itself is unforgivable. And yes, I understand that in some cases forgiveness is a process, a decision which has to be renewed time and time again until healing takes place.

As to sin deserving to be punished, I would quote again some passages I have already quoted in the past:

"Sin is disloyalty to God, and [is] deserving of punishment."{UL 378.5}

"We may understand the subject of the work of Christ. His object was to reconcile the prerogatives of justice and mercy, and let each stand separate in its dignity, yet united. His mercy was not weakness, but a terrible power to punish sin because it is sin; yet a power to draw to it the love of humanity. Through Christ Justice is enabled to forgive without sacrificing one jot of its exalted holiness." {GCB, October 1, 1899 par. 21}

"Imagine, if possible, the nature and degree of Christ's suffering. This suffering in humanity was to prevent the outpouring of the wrath of God upon those for whom Christ died. Yea; for the church this great sacrifice will be efficacious throughout eternity. Can we compute the amount of her transgressions in figures?--Impossible! Then who can approach to a conception of what Christ endured when standing as surety for his church, in the solemn hour of atonement, when he yielded up his life as a sacrificial offering? Never, never can it be that God will again so manifest his holiness, his spotless purity; the sin that sprung up in heaven and its inconceivably heinous character; his utter hatred of sin, his solemn purpose to punish it, and that in the only one who could bear the strokes in behalf of the sinner, and because of his innocence would not be consumed." {HM, November 1, 1897 par. 5}

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but we don't have to punish the act in some arbitrary way in order to forgive the person

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Again, we are not God:

Romans 12:19 not avenging yourselves, beloved, but giving place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, says the Lord."

But God, to be Himself, must manifest His wrath against sin, His abhorrence for sin; this is not arbitrary, although He knows this will kill the sinner. [Ele não pode deixar de manifestar Sua ira contra o pecado - How do you say that in English?]
What is wrong with this thought in your opinion?

John,

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Do not mix what it takes to be saved with what it takes to forgive. The two are not one and the same.

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The two are the same and I can provide dozens of passages to this effect. But if you know of any passage which proves your point, please share it with us.

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Some monstrosities committed by human beings provoke in us an utter pity.

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You are mixing things. You can pity the sinner, not the sin.