You don't believe "inbred sin, inward corruption, inherited sinful tendencies" are sin, right?


Ahhh, you fooled me. When you asked "how" I thought you were asking the harder question of the mechanism.

Yes, they are inherited at conception. (Look at that, I couldn't help but poke into GC's giant can of worms. LOL)

Not even God says, "Believe it because I said so." Instead, He operates on a better model, namely, "Faith without works is dead." He will disprove Satan's accusations through 144,000 numbered and sealed saints who will refuse to capitulate during the time of trouble. The proof is in the pudding.

Sin, sinful, and sinning. I do not believe having inbred sin, inward corruption, inherited sinful tendencies counts as sinning. People do not incur guilt and condemnation merely because they are born with them. To incur guilt, people must cherish them or act them out. Subjecting them to a sanctified will and mind, refusing to act them out, is holiness unto the Lord.


I suspect they are transferred from parents to children via DNA. Naturally, nurture plays a huge part, too. Are worms edible?

Do dogs kill? Are dogs selfish? Do dogs die? Yes, but I'll bet dogs beat humans in the kindness category often. I read you saying, sin is breaking the rules, it is a legal problem. From the legal point of view, please explain why we see in nature the red in tooth and claw.

And until then what are you going to do? Keep wondering if God really means what He says? If the 144k are here but you don't recognize them, will you doubt God's word?

You can wait for the pudding if you wish. To me, God's word is sufficient. The fulfillment is in His promise.

Do you think God did not expect Eve to believe that sin=death just because He said so? Do you think He wanted Eve to experiment and find out by making her own sin pudding? Restless modern Eves....

I tell my kids, "You are smart if you learn from your mistakes. You are wise if you learn from MY mistakes." We would be even wiser if we learn from God who never makes mistakes.

APL, have you made a conscious choice not to address my posts? If so, no problem.

That's where we differ. You look at inbred sin and say that it is not sin unless you do something with it first. I look at inbred sin and say that it is sin.

That's the only reason you can say that the born-again has no sin, because you see these evil things and refuse to call them sin.

I call them sin.

asygo - I don't know your background, perhaps you know no science. Where have I ever said Adam contaminated all nature. I have not. Yet, you make such a statement. I believe I have quoted in this thread the following by EGW which explains WHO contaminated all nature.

• Christ never planted the seeds of death in the system. Satan planted these seeds when he tempted Adam to eat of the tree of knowledge, which meant disobedience to God. Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up. In the parable of the sower the question was asked the master, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares?" The master answered, "An enemy hath done this." [Matthew 13:27, 28.] All tares are sown by the evil one. Every noxious herb is of his sowing, and by his ingenious methods of amalgamation he has corrupted the earth with tares. {16MR 247.2}

The you say, "the air does not have genes". Can you tell me there are no viruses in the air? What do viruses contain? DNA or RNA, which code for what? Genes. Do you still claim we can not pick up genes in the air?

If sin is passed on "by the spirit", then are child born perfect? Do you deny that EGW ever talked about genetics? Are you really bold enough to make that claim?

The you say, "I doubt that you will find sin in the genes". If sin is breaking the rules, then how can if affect us and all creation? Please explain. Or can you just admit, you don't know?

Like you, I am 100% convinced Jesus will win the great controversy. One of the reasons I am so thoroughly convinced is because Jesus, while here, developed a perfect character in spite of His sinful flesh.

I couldn't help noticing you didn't say - "Having them is the same as sinning."