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Re: Great questions by MountainMan
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07/09/05 02:33 AM
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It's odd how topics merge sometimes. It all comes down to the same unimportant questions and theories. What is most important? That we are sinners (young or old), and we need a savior. That Jesus came and died for us so we can be with him. That we keep all that the Lord has commanded us to. Understanding faults does not bring us any closer to God. In the words of Paul, quote:
Timothy, guard what God has trusted to you. Stay away from foolish, useless talk and from the arguments of what is falsely called "knowledge.
1 Timothy 6:20 NCV
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Stay away from foolish, useless talk, because that will lead people further away from God.
2 Timothy 2:16 NCV
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Re: Great questions by MountainMan
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07/09/05 02:54 AM
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Dave, it's a free country. You are not required to post on this thread.
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Re: Great questions by MountainMan
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07/09/05 02:57 AM
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And you are not requierd to read! However, as it is a free country, I think I should have the right to point out when scripture says a particular action that is taking place leads people away from God.
Wouldn't you agree "Double M?"
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Re: Great questions by MountainMan
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07/09/05 03:00 AM
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So, with all rudness aside, what was being discssed? A tree or sinful natures or something?
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Re: Great questions by MountainMan
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07/09/05 11:14 AM
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MM's point was that eternal life came from the "tree of life"; rather than that it came from every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
So I just thought he might see that the tree cannot assure eternal life to anyone, And that God did not create death by withdrawing the tree, but only made evident the need for the spirit (word of life) in order that life be lived eternally.
Mat 4:4 ...It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
So is the difference of trying to live by the "tree of life", rather than the "word of life".
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Re: Great questions by MountainMan
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John, please, even a casual reading of this thread will reveal that God is the source of life. It is He who gave the breath of life. And, it is He who set things up in such a way that we are required to eat regularly of the tree of life to live forever. Eating the fruit isn't symbolic, rather, it is necessary to continue living forever, and to avoid dying slowly. The tree and the fruit contain supernatural nutrients needful to live eternally.
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Re: Great questions by MountainMan
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07/09/05 04:28 PM
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quote:
The age old argument - Sin is a state of doing; no, sin is a state of being! And then there are those who say - It's both.
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
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Re: Great questions by MountainMan
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quote:
John, please, even a casual reading of this thread will reveal that God is the source of life. It is He who gave the breath of life. And, it is He who set things up in such a way that we are required to eat regularly of the tree of life to live forever.
And when he removed the tree, it is because he wanted us to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God in order to live forever.
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Re: Great questions by MountainMan
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Actually, God didn't remove the tree until the time of the Flood. It remained on earth for approximately 1400 years. The reason He denied sinners access to the tree is because He didn't want them to "eat, and live forever." Simple as that! Yes, of course, God wants us to live by every word He has spoken. If we refuse to live by His word then He will refuse to grant us access to the tree of life.
Revelation
22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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Re: Great questions by MountainMan
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Since only a good tree can bring forth good fruit it is necessary, therefore, for us to be born again, and to partake of the divine nature, so that we can resist the unholy clamorings of our fallen flesh and imitate the example of Jesus. We do not become a good tree, rather Jesus makes it possible for us to partake of the Good Tree (i.e., the divine nature), and thereby produce good fruit, the fruits of the Spirit.
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