What's your respone to this? Do you or don't you agree?

Can't do a detailed analysis now, but the short answer is that your middle term is used improperly - it is not distributed.

Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now.

How does breaking God's law affect all creation? Please explain?

Breaking God's law does affect all creation. If the law is only a legal law, and enacted set of rules, then please explain how it affects all life. It affects all life because it is not a legal law, but a natural law. We tend to focus on the 10 commandments. But the 10C are descriptive of what a perfect life would be like. They are not proscriptive or prescriptive. They are descriptive. The Pharisees setup all kinds of legal rules to enforce compliance. Did it work? Nope.

• The man who attempts to keep the commandments of God from a sense of obligation merely--because he is required to do so [legally required to keey the law]--will never enter into the joy of obedience. He does not obey. {COL 97.3}

I provided this quote earlier I do believe which answers this question. But I will post it again.

• If those who speak so freely of perfection in the flesh, could see things in the true light, they would recoil with horror from their presumptuous ideas.   {2SM 32.2} 
          The Scriptures teach us to seek for the sanctification to God of body, soul, and spirit. In this work we are to be laborers together with God. Much may be done to restore the moral image of God in man, to improve the physical, mental, and moral capabilities. Great changes can be made in the physical system by obeying the laws of God and bringing into the body nothing that defiles. And while we cannot claim perfection of the flesh, we may have Christian perfection of the soul. Through the sacrifice made in our behalf, sins may be perfectly forgiven. Our dependence is not in what man can do; it is in what God can do for man through Christ. When we surrender ourselves wholly to God, and fully believe, the blood of Christ cleanses from all sin. The conscience can be freed from condemnation [it is not a legal problem]. Through faith in His blood, all may be made perfect in Christ Jesus. Thank God that we are not dealing with impossibilities. We may claim sanctification. We may enjoy the favor of God. We are not to be anxious about what Christ and God think of us, but about what God thinks of Christ, our Substitute. Ye are accepted in the Beloved. The Lord shows, to the repenting, believing one, that Christ accepts the surrender of the soul, to be molded and fashioned after His own likeness.  {2SM 32.3} 

this is also not to think that we are not to be transformed. God will not declare righteous unless we really are - God can not lie. As EGW says in Steps to Christ, we need to total transformation. This is not a legal issue, for just a legal declaration will not make the transformation needed.

In the plan of redemption there must be the shedding of blood, for death must come in consequence of man's sin. {Con 21.3}

The usual interpretation is that this was a legal requirement. " There is a divinely appointed connection between sin and disease. No physician can practice for a month without seeing this illustrated. He may ignore the fact; his mind may be so occupied with other matters that his attention will not be called to it; but if he will be observing and honest he cannot help acknowledging that sin and disease bear to each other the relationship of cause and effect. {5T 444.2}" Christ took on Himself, our condition, so that He may know how to help us. Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himself has suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted. 1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bore our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live to righteousness: by whose stripes you were healed.

The science I read, shows that ALL disease ulimately relates back to the genome. Yes, this is a bold statement, and is not 100% proven. Sin and disease bear the relationship of cause and effect. And what exactly in the genome is it? This has been identified, it is "mobile genetic elements". One example of this is a virus. Viruses highjack the biologic system in order to replicate itself. Sin causes disease. Viruses cause disease. A virus is not "caused by sin". There for do the math, what is a virus?

Mere forgiveness of sin is not the sole result of the death of Jesus. He made the infinite sacrifice not only that sin might be removed, but that human nature might be restored, rebeautified, reconstructed from its ruins, and made fit for the presence of God. {3SM 154.1}

Exactly!!! Mere forgiveness, LEGAL PARDON does not save us. Christ's death was made so that sin can not only be removed, but there is total restoration, healing. " The very essence of the gospel is restoration,... {CT 467.1} The restoration is not a legal processes, it is a healing process.

Justice demands that sin be not merely pardoned, but the death penalty must be executed. God, in the gift of His only-begotten Son, met both these requirements. By dying in man's stead, Christ exhausted the penalty and provided a pardon. {AG 139.2}

Is this a legal pardon? The law must be satisfied. We can not be saved in our sin. WE must be healed of our sin. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and you shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.


Were there no justice, no penalty, there would be no stability to the government of God. It is the mingling of judgment and mercy that makes salvation full and complete. It is the blending of the two that leads us, as we view the world's Redeemer and the law of Jehovah, to exclaim, "Thy gentleness hath made me great" (2 Samuel 22:36). {AG 70}

The question is, how is the penalty inflicted. Is the penalty a judicial act, or as EGW says, sin and its effects work on the basis of cause and effect?

Christ on the cross not only draws men to repentance toward God for the transgression of His law--for whom God pardons He first makes penitent--but Christ has satisfied Justice; He has proffered Himself as an atonement. {AG 153.2}

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. How are we reconciled to God by Christ's death? We see the cause and effect. God did not execute Christ. Christ died the death of a sinner, proving the wages of sin is death. 1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bore our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live to righteousness: by whose stripes you were healed. Hebrews 2:14-18 For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For truly he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Why in all things it behooved him to be made like to his brothers, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself has suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted. 2 Corinthians 5:21 For he has made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

These quotes are literal quotes, not some skillful legal transfer of sin to Christ.
A Divine Remedy for Sin.--The atonement of Christ is not a mere skillful way to have our sins pardoned; it is a divine remedy for the cure of transgression and the restoration of spiritual health. It is the Heaven-ordained means by which the righteousness of Christ may be not only upon us but in our hearts and characters (Letter 406, 1906). {6BC 1074.2}

Through the cross, man was drawn to God, and God to man. Justice moved from its high and awful position, and the heavenly hosts, the armies of holiness, drew near to the cross, bowing with reverence; for at the cross justice was satisfied. Through the cross the sinner was drawn from the stronghold of sin, from the confederacy of evil, and at every approach to the cross his heart relents and in penitence he cries, "It was my sins that crucified the Son of God." At the cross he leaves his sins, and through the grace of Christ his character is transformed. {AG 74.5}

Please explain how the genome is not hereditary. The genome carries a tremendous amount of information, both encoded in the base pairs of the code and in the epigenome. Epigenetic changes in a parent can be transmitted to their offspring in the very next generation. There are childhood cancers that are related to what the grandparents ate. This is an example of epigenetic transfer. This is inheritance which is genetic. Many weaknesses are genetically inherited.

The Law of Gravity is not self acting. It can do nothing in and of itself. Jesus did not set it in motion and now it acts of its own accord. Nothing in nature is self-acting. None of the laws of nature act on their own. Each and every law of nature is dependent on Jesus to act each and every second of its existence. Water would not flow downhill, plants would not grow, flowers would not bloom, wind would not blow, the sun would not shine without Jesus causing them to do so.

The idea that Jesus works to prevent our sins from triggering the laws of nature and causing disease and destruction assumes the laws of nature are self-acting. The idea that the antediluvians sinned in a way that caused the forces of nature to release a worldwide deluge assumes the forces of nature are self-acting, as if they are capable of acting on their own, as if all Jesus did was stop working to hold them in check. Not so.

The law of God is as sacred as God Himself. It is a revelation of His will, a transcript of His character, the expression of divine love and wisdom. The harmony of creation depends upon the perfect conformity of all beings, of everything, animate and inanimate, to the law of the Creator. God has ordained laws for the government, not only of living beings, but of all the operations of nature. Everything is under fixed laws, which cannot be disregarded. But while everything in nature is governed by natural laws, man alone, of all that inhabits the earth, is amenable to moral law. To man, the crowning work of creation, God has given power to understand His requirements, to comprehend the justice and beneficence of His law, and its sacred claims upon him; and of man unswerving obedience is required. {PP 52.3}
Like the angels, the dwellers in Eden had been placed upon probation; their happy estate could be retained only on condition of fidelity to the Creator's law. They could obey and live, or disobey and perish. God had made them the recipients of rich blessings; but should they disregard His will, He who spared not the angels that sinned, could not spare them; transgression would forfeit His gifts and bring upon them misery and ruin. {PP 53.1}

As the Supreme Ruler of the universe, God has ordained laws for the government not only of all living beings, but of all the operations of nature. Everything, whether great or small, animate or inanimate, is under fixed laws which cannot be disregarded. There are no exceptions to this rule {ST, April 15, 1886 par. 2}

n the creation of man was manifest the agency of a personal God. When God had made man in His image, the human form was perfect in all its arrangements, but it was without life. Then a personal, self-existing God breathed into that form the breath of life, and man became a living, breathing, intelligent being. All parts of the human organism were put in action. The heart, the arteries, the veins, the tongue, the hands, the feet, the senses, the perceptions of the mind--all began their work, and all were placed under law. Man became a living soul. Through Jesus Christ a personal God created man and endowed him with intelligence and power. {8T 264.1}

The idea that the sins of the wicked will cause fire to rain down on them at the end of time assumes the forces of nature are self-acting, as if Jesus need only step aside and allow fire to do its thing. Fire cannot do a single thing without Jesus causing it to happen. The fact fire will rain down and consume the ungodly in duration according to their sinfulness is proof Jesus is acting to thus employ the forces of nature to punish them.

You are not representing what I said. I never said that the sins of the wicked will cause file to rain down on them. I said that the fire that comes down, is God's glory. God has masked his glory or else we would have been consumed. Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire. Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day comes, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that comes shall burn them up, said the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. Exodus 24:17 And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel. 2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved to fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:10-12 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hastening to the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Why does this happen? God administering capital punishment? Or is it again, cause and effect? Isaiah 33:14-15 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness has surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? 15 He that walks righteously, and speaks uprightly; he that despises the gain of oppressions, that shakes his hands from holding of bribes, that stops his ears from hearing of blood, and shuts his eyes from seeing evil;

The atonement of Christ is not a mere skillful way to have our sins pardoned [It is not a legal pardon]; it is a divine remedy [it is a healing process] for the cure of transgression and the restoration of spiritual health. It is the heaven-ordained means by which the righteousness of Christ may be not only upon us, but in our hearts and characters.--Letter 406, 1906. {7ABC 464.2}

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

The law condemns, it can not save. Therefore salvation can not be a legal process through the law. "The very essence of the gospel is restoration, and the Saviour would have us bid the sick, the hopeless, and the afflicted take hold upon His strength. {DA 824.5}"

You are defending a half-truth. Forgiveness without restoration does not save us, but restoration without forgiveness doesn't save us either. BOTH are necessary.

Again:

"Christ died because there was no other hope for the transgressor. He might try to keep God's law in the future; but the debt which he had incurred in the past remained, and the law must condemn him to death. Christ came to pay that debt for the sinner which it was impossible for him to pay for himself. Thus, through the atoning sacrifice of Christ, sinful man was granted another trial." {FW 30.1}

There are two words in the Greek translated forgive. 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. The word translated "forgive" in this verse, Aphiemi, a removal of sin, sending away sin, a restoration, not a legal forgiveness. So no, I do not see what I am saying as being a half truth.