What about the fire that Elijah called down from Heaven upon three companies of soldiers? What "natural" thing caused that?

Or what "natural" thing caused the angel to pass through Egypt and kill all the firstborn? Or what "natural" thing did God use to strike Nadab, Abihu, and Uzzah dead? What "natural" thing destroyed Sennacherib's army of 185,000 in a single night? Did Satan do all these things? If so, how does Satan survive the very presence of God in the Most Holy Place where Nadab and Abihu were slain? What "natural" thing caused the Flood, in which Satan himself feared for his own life?

We've been round and round on these issues here before. Some people continue to believe these things for lack of understanding God's true character. When God says, "vengeance is mine" He also says "I will repay." That means that God will do something. David, in the Psalms, says He will not keep His anger forever. When the limit is reached, watch out.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Do I have a answer to all your questions? Not yet. The Elijah story is difficult - no question. But the others? I've looked at these. I will take on only one here: The 185000 Assyrians. You need to read the whole account. All the details. They are all important. Would you deny that?

The 185,000 Assyrians, we must read the entire account. 2 Kings 19, Isaiah 37, 2 Chronicles 32

Isa 37:11 You have heard what an Assyrian emperor does to any country he decides to destroy. Do you think that you can escape?
Isa 37:12 My ancestors destroyed the cities of Gozan, Haran, and Rezeph, and killed the people of Betheden who lived in Telassar, and none of their gods could save them.
Isa 37:13 Where are the kings of the cities of Hamath, Arpad, Sepharvaim, Hena, and Ivvah?"
Isa 37:14 King Hezekiah took the letter from the messengers and read it. Then he went to the Temple, placed the letter there in the presence of the LORD,
Isa 37:15 and prayed,

2Ch 32:13 Don't you know what my ancestors and I have done to the people of other nations? Did the gods of any other nation save their people from the emperor of Assyria?
2Ch 32:14 When did any of the gods of all those countries ever save their country from us? Then what makes you think that your god can save you?
2Ch 32:15 Now don't let Hezekiah deceive you or mislead you like that. Don't believe him! No god of any nation has ever been able to save his people from any Assyrian emperor. So certainly this god of yours can't save you!"

What did the Assyrians do to their enemies?

http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2006/08/history-of-wmd.html

600 BC: Assyrians poisoned the wells of their enemies with rye ergot, which affected those ingesting it with sickness or death. The fungus that causes ergot produces ergotamine, a hallucinogen similar in chemistry and effects to LSD. Ergot poisoning causes delusions, paranoia, myoclonic twitches, seizures, and cardiovascular problems that can lead to death. Those affected seemed to go mad, which added the terror element and served to demoralize their comrades.

http://assyria.synthasite.com/assyyria-armee.php

Bioterrorism is defined as "the deliberate or threatened use of bacteria, viruses or toxins to cause disease, death, disruption or fear.
Bioterrorism has been used as a weapon for decades.
In 700 BC the Assyrians poisoned wells with rye ergot.

http://www.cbwinfo.com/Biological/PlantPath/CP.html

The toxicity of ergot was known to Assyrians and the earliest descriptions of infected cereals date from these times. Medical texts on cuneiform tablet from about 600 BC describe a noxious pustule in the ears of grain.

So, what to do you do to prevent an invading army from poisoning your water supply?

2Ch 32:1 After these events, in which King Hezekiah served the LORD faithfully, Sennacherib, the emperor of Assyria, invaded Judah. He besieged the fortified cities and gave orders for his army to break their way through the walls.
2Ch 32:2 When Hezekiah saw that Sennacherib intended to attack Jerusalem also,
2Ch 32:3 he and his officials decided to cut off the supply of water outside the city in order to keep the Assyrians from having any water when they got near Jerusalem. The officials led a large number of people out and stopped up all the springs, so that no more water flowed out of them.

This also help deny water to the invading army, but was there not a double purpose?

What happens with the land is poisoned by rye ergot?


2Ki 19:29 Then Isaiah said to King Hezekiah, "Here is a sign of what will happen. This year and next you will have only wild grain to eat, but the following year you will be able to plant your grain and harvest it, and plant vines and eat grapes.

Isa 37:30 Then Isaiah said to King Hezekiah, "Here is a sign of what will happen. This year and next you will have only wild grain to eat, but the following year you will be able to plant grain and harvest it, and plant vines and eat grapes.

What would this be needed? See: http://www.cbwinfo.com/Biological/PlantPath/CP.html


The primary response to infection is cultural rather than chemical. There are no fungicides registered for use against the fungus in the US and there are also no ergot-resistant varieties of cereal crops.. The sclerotium cannot survive for more than one winter in the soil, so planting non-susceptible crops in infected fields for two years will clear them out and when replanted, ergot-free seed should be used. The areas surrounding infected fields should also be cleared of susceptible plants. In severe cases, deep ploughing to bury sclerotia is also helpful.

Two years will clear out the infection of rye ergot mold.


So here is some evidence. Conclusive? Does it prove it? No. But what does the evidence point to?

What about God commanding Moses to kill the unrepentant idolaters in the incident of the golden calf, establishing the death penalty under the old covenant, and commanding the israelites to destroy the canaanite nations?

There is an answer for this. Was it ever God's plan to kill and destroy the Canaanites? If the Children of Israel had followed God's commands, we would have seen a very different history.

Revelation 7:1-3 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

How do these angels cause harm? The stop doing what they are doing. Satan is the destroyer. God is the restorer.

Also, you didn't reply to the post and passages where it is clearly taught the fire Jesus will rain down and raise up after the millennium is not the radiant light emanating from the person and presence of God. God's glorious glow will not cause the lake of fire in which sinners will suffer and die in duration according to their sinfulness. The quotes are too plain to misunderstand.

APL,

You are trying to explain the reason for sin, and in your attempts to find the answer you have turned to genetics. Is this not so?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Revelation 15

15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

Chapter 16

16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image.
16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead [man]; and every living soul died in the sea.
16:4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
16:5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
16:7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous [are] thy judgments.