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Re: Moral Influence Theory versus Penal Substitution.
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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12/05/12 03:43 AM
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You know what? I wasn't addressing fields of grain at all. It has no bearing on how the 185,000 were cut down from life in a single night.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. It has no bearing? If you have a preconceived idea of what happened, and do not read the whole account, and close your mind to possibilities, then yeah, there is no understanding.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Moral Influence Theory versus Penal Substitution.
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APL,
Ellen White says: "Yet sin is unexplainable, and no reason can be found for its existence." You seem to be pinpointing reasons for its existence in the human genome.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. You seem to say that sin started with humans. It did not! Pinpointing the problem in the human genome is not explaining the ultimate origin of sin is it? No.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Moral Influence Theory versus Penal Substitution.
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12/05/12 04:49 AM
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APL,
Ellen White says: "Yet sin is unexplainable, and no reason can be found for its existence." You seem to be pinpointing reasons for its existence in the human genome.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. You seem to say that sin started with humans. It did not! Pinpointing the problem in the human genome is not explaining the ultimate origin of sin is it? No. That's a very good point. How did Lucifer pass along his genes?  Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Moral Influence Theory versus Penal Substitution.
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12/05/12 04:51 AM
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You know what? I wasn't addressing fields of grain at all. It has no bearing on how the 185,000 were cut down from life in a single night.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. It has no bearing? If you have a preconceived idea of what happened, and do not read the whole account, and close your mind to possibilities, then yeah, there is no understanding. Did Ellen White have the same preconceived idea that I have? Because she informs me about what happened. An angel did it, not some pesticide or chemical warfare. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Moral Influence Theory versus Penal Substitution.
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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12/05/12 05:04 AM
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The angels of Revelation 7 have power to harm the earth. How is it exercised? (Revelation 7:1-3)
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Moral Influence Theory versus Penal Substitution.
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12/05/12 05:06 AM
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That's a very good point. How did Lucifer pass along his genes? Ah - read genesis 3. And then note Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. And then look up the word that is translated "seed". What does "seed" mean? And note that the devil has "seed" in this verse.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Moral Influence Theory versus Penal Substitution.
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12/05/12 05:13 AM
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So, do you believe that the fallen angels mated with the sons of God in Genesis 6?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Moral Influence Theory versus Penal Substitution.
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12/05/12 11:39 AM
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You seem to say that sin started with humans. It did not! Pinpointing the problem in the human genome is not explaining the ultimate origin of sin is it? No. Indeed. Genetics can't explain sin, either in Lucifer, in the angels who followed him, or in Adam and Eve. So how can sin be physically explained in these cases?
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Re: Moral Influence Theory versus Penal Substitution.
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12/05/12 01:32 PM
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So, do you believe that the fallen angels mated with the sons of God in Genesis 6?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. No. Do you?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Moral Influence Theory versus Penal Substitution.
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12/05/12 01:34 PM
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You seem to say that sin started with humans. It did not! Pinpointing the problem in the human genome is not explaining the ultimate origin of sin is it? No. Indeed. Genetics can't explain sin, either in Lucifer, in the angels who followed him, or in Adam and Eve. So how can sin be physically explained in these cases? Explaining sin and explaining the origin of sin are two different matters.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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