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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
[Re: Gregory]
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12/29/12 12:38 PM
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In as much as I have mentioned the NPR and the NBR, I will say a bit about enforcement issues which brought about the change in the city law.
Under the previous law enforcement required one of two issues to exist: 1) Someone had to be offended. It seems that it was very hard to find an adult willing to go into court and claim offense. 2) Under the law most likely to result in a conviction, the person convicted would have to register as a sex offender. Juries simply did not want to return that type of a conviction for someone minding their own business while walking down a city street with a paumpkin on their head or while riding a bicycle.
Enforcement was also an issue. When you have several hundred naked people running down the street with pumpkins on their heads, you realisticly cannot arrest them all. You can only get a few. That raised the issue with selective enforcement which does not go well in court.
The new law said it was O.K. to go topless as long as no one else was assualted. To go naked could result in a minor conviction that did not require registration as a sex offender.
It was felt that this would raesolve what was considered to be a problem. That is what happened. At the next Naked Pumpkin Run, people were not totally naked. The same was true for the next Naked Bicycle Race.
So, in the eyes of the public: Mission accomplished.
Last edited by Gregory; 12/29/12 12:42 PM.
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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12/29/12 01:08 PM
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I am reminded of a time when I was taking graduate work in psychology. A hightly educated Engineer came to our clinic and wound up with me. He had been arrested for the sexual assualt of a 4 year-old female.
His story: He had knocked on the door of a neighbor and the 4 year-old had opened the door naked. As he said to me: What would you expect me to do?
With the exception of physical assualt (rape), the man is responsible for what he does. The woman is not responsible for what the man does. Yes, she may be responsible for waht she does.
Gregory May God's will be done.
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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12/29/12 02:08 PM
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Alchemy's question might be worded more equitably:
Is it morally acceptable (by Christian doctrine) for men and women to comingle, where temptation may be encouraged, or even the appearance of evil?
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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12/29/12 02:15 PM
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So, your question is: Should men and women be allowed to work in the same environment?
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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12/29/12 05:18 PM
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No, that's an inaccurate simplification, much as the original post conveyed an incomplete critique.
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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12/29/12 06:33 PM
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Perhaps it is this way in your country. Places I've been have typically been lenient on women in the sexual conduct arena. For example, when a man rapes a woman, he can expect a significant jail term. When a woman rapes a man, she gets only a slap on the wrist (and many sorry men wishing she had raped them).
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Green Cochoa. Not quite. My thoughts were mostly based on reports and articles from the United States of America. You may have chosen different news channelse.
Last edited by Daryl; 12/30/12 03:37 PM. Reason: Spelling correction only.
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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I misspelled. It should have been: Not quite. . .
The latest case in the news is from Italy where the Roman Catholic father Pierco Corsi gives 120 women the fault they were murdered by their husbands or boyfriends last year. The Church has declared it does not agree.
Last edited by Daryl; 12/30/12 03:38 PM. Reason: Corrected the spelling error in the previous post.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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12/31/12 02:23 PM
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In my opinion, this is a complex case with several aspects which must be considered. So, I will address several of them:
1) A public business has a right to establish standards fo dress for both males and for females. I work in a Federal government institution which has standards of dress for both men and women.
2) I consider the decision of the Court to be of narrow focus. Baased upon the statements made, I consider to be be an appropriate decision. IOW, I agree with it.
3) I personally object to the title of this thread: Should women be allowed to entice men. . . That title comes across to me as sexist and unfair to women.
4) I believe that men has a responsibility that is often not given to them.
5) If I am walking down the street and an adult woman comes toward me who is either topless or naked, the responsibility is mine not to jump on her. The responsisbility is not hers as to what I do. Period. End of discussion.
6) Folks, we live in a world where exposure of human flesh is becomming more accepted. Laws are changing. About a year ago, a city near where I live passed a new law: That law prohibited total public nudity on the part of any adults. But, it allowed adults to be topless. Frankly, it was passed because it was felt that it addressed a situation that had gotten out of hand and came up with a good resolution.
NOTE: I reference the public Naked Pumpkin Run and the Naked Bicycle Race, both of which occured each year in this city. These are International events which have been well reported on the Internet if you want to see more.
7) I will say again: Men are responsible for their actions. Regardless of what the woman does, it is not appropriate to excuse the man for jumping on her.
I never heard of those naked races before. As far as the title, I pretty much got it from the article. But, I did not mean any disrespect toward women or tried to disregard the responsibility of men. So, maybe you could read the article and comment to that.
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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12/31/12 03:54 PM
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I am reminded of a time when I was taking graduate work in psychology. A hightly educated Engineer came to our clinic and wound up with me. He had been arrested for the sexual assualt of a 4 year-old female.
His story: He had knocked on the door of a neighbor and the 4 year-old had opened the door naked. As he said to me: What would you expect me to do?
With the exception of physical assualt (rape), the man is responsible for what he does. The woman is not responsible for what the man does. Yes, she may be responsible for waht she does.
I didn't understand what happened. Did he do something bad, or is this a case of diminishing the word, "assault" to looking at a naked 4 year old standing in the doorway? As far as the law with the naked races go, I don't see why people would not get naked if the problem before was too many. That is, why should anything change if everyone got naked, then there would be too many to arrest under the new law or not.
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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01/01/13 07:10 AM
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The situation seems to be more --
Must a man, by law, continue to employ a woman when he realizes the situation is a threat to his marriage?
Someone brought up the "naked races" -- Personally I don't think a Christian would attend those races. No matter whether government clamps down on them or not-- a Christian still has the choice to "flee" or stay away from any temptations.
When that temptation, (even if it's not a planned enticement, or anything as radical as those races, but is generated by constant association with a good looking member of the opposite sex) should an employer have the right to stop employing that person?
We know from scripture -- Flee from fornication. 1 Cor. 6:18 How can one flee if they are in close association 8 hours every day?
Actually in the original case -- the employers wife insisted the woman be "let go" before their marriage was ruined.
The question -- is it right for the law to demand he maintain her as his employee? Possibly he could have arranged for her transfer to another dental office?
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