Is there any record that Eve repented?

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That is your model. There is an intimate connection between the physical and the moral. "...sin and disease bear to each other the relationship of cause and effect. {5T 444.2}" All disease is caused by sin. ALL disease. How does that happen? In my research and study, it is more and more evidenct that you will find mobile genetic elements at the cause of all disease. Oh, but does not diet cause disease? Yes it does. But why and how? Again, digging deep, MGEs keep popping up. Psyciatric diseases? Yep! Cardiovascular disease? Yep. Cancer? Clearly a genetic disease.

EGW: "Everything had been transformed by the working of the arts of Satan. {16MR 122.3}" Were the TOXINS we find in plants today, present when God created them? Is God responsible to these things? God is not responsible, and I don't think God created them. Did God create the noxious herbs, the thorns, the tares? NO. Where did they come from? From Satan's genetic engineering. See {16MR 247.2} Behaviors, such as smoking, drugs use, illicit sex, are symptoms of the disease sin. You can not always look at behavior and clearly determine if that behavior is sin or not. I can give you an simple example of outward behavior that you would say is fine and good, but which is actually evil. Bernie Madoff and his donating large sums of money to charitable organizations in order to attract more investors was a great sin. Behaviors are symptoms. Just as the fruits of the Spirit are symptoms of a changed heart. Galatians 5:19-23 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And what is God's wrath? Read Romans 1. See Jesus dying in Gethsemane. God's wrath is there revealed. On the cross, God's wrath is revealed. And what did God do? Did God execute Jesus? Christ's death was not a "normal" death. He did not die from crucifixion. How was God involved?

You have not at all shown why death as a child would not have fulfilled the requirements of a death so pay the penalty for sin, and I don't think you can show it. This is because Christ's mission was not a legal one. Not only that, Christ completed His mission before His death. John 17:4 I have glorified you on the earth: I have finished the work which you gave me to do.

First, that would not have happened. But yes, without the tree of life, Adam would have died. In the earth made new, I believe you will still have the the choice, to eat or not. There will not be a tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and there will not be a temptor there.

• Satan's rebellion was to be a lesson to the universe through all coming ages, a perpetual testimony to the nature and terrible results of sin. The working out of Satan's rule, its effects upon both men and angels, would show what must be the fruit of setting aside the divine authority. It would testify that with the existence of God's government and His law is bound up the well-being of all the creatures He has made. Thus the history of this terrible experiment of rebellion was to be a perpetual safeguard to all holy intelligences, to prevent them from being deceived as to the nature of transgression, to save them from committing sin, and suffering its punishment. {4BC 1162.6}

Sin is the transgression of the law. The law of how we are made. You can not change it. If you do, the results are terrible. Not because God will inflict pain and torture on you, but because of the natural consequences that happens. The nature of sin and its terrible results is not punishment inflicted by God. The law is not a legal law, is as a natural law. The consequences for violating the law of God do not need to be imposed, executed, the consequences are intrinsic. They are horrible. No one will ever do the experiment that Satan did again. All will know what the results would be. Disease, destruction, death.

As I said, if there was no sin, there would be no disease. But Satan and his angels, the worst of all sinners, have no diseases. Some of the worst examples of humanity lived longer than many fine Christians. And some people are born with diseases. In case you say their parents sinned, I'll bring to your attention John 9:2, 3: "And His disciples asked Him, saying, Master, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither has this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God might be revealed in him." So what do you mean by saying that all disease is caused by sin?


Your definition is wrong. God's wrath is His aversion to sin or the manifestation of His displeasure because of iniquity.

The wrath of God against sin, the terrible manifestation of His displeasure because of iniquity, filled the soul of His Son with consternation. But now with the terrible weight of guilt He bears, He cannot see the Father’s reconciling face. The withdrawal of the divine countenance from the Saviour in this hour of supreme anguish pierced His heart with a sorrow that can never be fully understood by us. So great was this agony that His physical pain was hardly felt. {CTr 277.3}


I haven't? He must feel what sinners will feel at their judgment, and a child can't do that. This is simple.


Precisely. So sin is not the agent which causes death, but the reason why we die.

The violation of God's moral law has natural consequences, but there is also a judicial punishment for its infraction, which Christ experienced:

“God permits his Son to be delivered up for our offenses. He himself assumes toward the Sin-bearer the character of a judge, divesting himself of the endearing qualities of a father. “ {SpTA04 20.2}

“He, the sin-bearer, endures judicial punishment for iniquity, and becomes sin itself for man.” {3SP 162.2}

Rosangela - quote the context, and what actually happens becomes clear. The destruction of Jerusalem demonstrated the "retributive justice" of God. What did God do to Jesusalem? "let them go", "gave them up". Now, take you "judicial punishment" statement in context, and remember HOW God administers judgement, see {14MR 3.1}.

As man's substitute and surety, the iniquity of men was laid upon Christ; he was counted a transgressor that he might redeem them from the curse of the law. The guilt of every descendant of Adam of every age was pressing upon his heart; and the wrath of God, and the terrible manifestation of his displeasure because of iniquity, filled the soul of his Son with consternation. The withdrawal of the divine countenance from the Saviour, in this hour of supreme anguish, pierced his heart with a sorrow that can never be fully understood by man. Every pang endured by the Son of God upon the cross, the blood drops that flowed from his head, his hands, and feet, the convulsions of agony which racked his frame, and the unutterable anguish that filled his soul at the hiding of his Father's face from him, speak to man, saying, It is for love of thee that the Son of God consents to have these heinous crimes laid upon him; for thee he spoils the domain of death, and opens the gates of Paradise and immortal life. He who stilled the angry waves by his word, and walked the foam-capped billows, who made devils tremble, and disease flee from his touch, who raised the dead to life and opened the eyes of the blind,--offers himself upon the cross as the last sacrifice for man. He, the sin-bearer, endures judicial punishment for iniquity, and becomes sin itself for man. {3SP 162.2}

Satan, with his fierce temptations, wrung the heart of Jesus. Sin, so hateful to his sight, was heaped upon him till he groaned beneath its weight. No wonder that his humanity trembled in that fearful hour. Angels witnessed with amazement the despairing agony of the Son of God, so much greater than his physical pain that the latter was hardly felt by him. The hosts of Heaven veiled their faces from the fearful sight. {3SP 163.1}

Inanimate nature expressed a sympathy with its insulted and dying Author. The sun refused to look upon the awful scene. Its full, bright rays were illuminating the earth at midday, when suddenly it seemed to be blotted out. Complete darkness enveloped the cross, and all the vicinity about, like a funeral pall. There was no eclipse or other natural cause for this darkness, which was deep as midnight without moon or stars. The dense blackness was an emblem of the soul-agony and horror that encompassed the Son of God. He had felt it in the garden of Gethsemane, when from his pores were forced drops of blood, and where he would have died had not an angel been sent from the courts of Heaven to invigorate the divine sufferer, that he might tread his blood-stained path to Calvary. {3SP 163.2}

The darkness lasted three full hours. No eye could pierce the gloom that enshrouded the cross, and none could penetrate the deeper gloom that flooded the suffering soul of Christ. A nameless terror took possession of all who were collected about the cross. The silence of the grave seemed to have fallen upon Calvary. The cursing and reviling ceased in the midst of half-uttered sentences. Men, women, and children prostrated themselves upon the earth in abject terror. Vivid lightnings, unaccompanied by thunder, occasionally flashed forth from the cloud, and revealed the cross and the crucified Redeemer. {3SP 164.1}


HOW did God punish sin? HOW was it that Christ suffered and died? "The hiding of the Father's face", "The withdrawl of the divine countenance". The wages of sin is death. Sin pays its wage. Sin causes all sickness, disease, and death. What makes sin so awful is that it destroys God's creation. Thus God's displeasure with iniguity. (Iniquity - another interesting term.) NOTE that in Gethsemane, Christ was feeling this agony that sin brings, and an angel was sent for the courts of Heaven, by God, to sustain Him. If it was God punishing Christ, why then did He send and angel to strengthen Him? Makes no sense.

Rosangela, do you believe that God executed Christ?

A change of subject question - how many "falls" have there been?

Why did this happen? Because the Father assumed "toward the Sin-bearer the character of a judge, divesting himself of the endearing qualities of a father." Which confirms that it was a "judicial punishment". She didn’t need at all to have used this expression if that wasn't what she meant.


God abhors sin because of His nature, and He cannot, without denying Himself, fail to manifest this abhorrence when He judges sin. God’s manifestation of His abhorrence of sin causes the extinction of life in he who sins – this is the penalty for sin.


APL,
God wasn't punishing Christ - He was punishing, condemning, judging sin.

“The righteous One must suffer the condemnation and wrath of God, not in vindictiveness; for the heart of God yearned with greatest sorrow when His Son, the guiltless, was suffering the penalty of sin. This sundering of the divine powers will never again occur throughout the eternal ages (MS 93, 1899). {7BC 924.2}

"God is calling upon all to behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world. Christ lifts the guilt of sin from the sinner, standing Himself under the condemnation of the Lawgiver." {ST, April 7, 1898}


Several.

I would appreciate it if you addressed my question as to what you mean by saying that all disease is caused by sin.

What do I mean? I mean that ALL DISEASE is caused by SIN.

Ok, and why is it that Satan, the topmost sinner, never had any disease? Why are innocent children born with diseases? What is the relationship between sin and disease? More sin more disease, less sin less disease?

AGAIN - read your quotes in full. The whole quote says: 1) Christ was perfected through suffering. He had to suffer, not as a legal requirement, but as a necessary part of obtaining the cure 2) The suffering occurred because of the letting go by God, as Romans 1 defines the wrath of God. 3) Suffering the penalty of sin; it is sin that causes the sufferring.

What was sin permitted in the first place? Because if the natural consequences of sin were to be allowed to happen, the on looking universe would not have understood. Isaiah 53:4 He willingly bore our griefs and carried our sorrows. Yet we thought He was smitten by God, afflicted and rejected by the God of Israel.

So what makes sin so bad is that it make God upset and so sin really will not cause any problems except that God will kill those that don't love Him. Sorry - I don't buy this for a moment. Sin is abhorrence because is destroys what God has created. Sin is the destructive element. Sin pays its wage. God, because He runs a universe on freedom, will have to allow sinners to have their way. Those that refuse to be healed, will die. "God destroys no man; but after a time the wicked are given up to the destruction they have wrought for themselves." {YI, November 30, 1893 par. 6}

Can you tell me that Satan has not been changed by sin? Yes, he has been changed by sin! " I was then shown Satan as he was, a happy, exalted angel. Then I was shown him as he now is. He still bears a kingly form. His features are still noble, for he is an angel fallen. But the expression of his countenance is full of anxiety, care, unhappiness, malice, hate, mischief, deceit, and every evil. That brow which was once so noble, I particularly noticed. His forehead commenced from his eyes to recede backward. ... His frame was large, but the flesh hung loosely about his hands and face. {1SG 27.2}".

Why are innocent children born with disease? I can explain that much easier with my model rather than with your legal model. Why do animals get cancer? Why do leaves and flowers die? Why are their thorns and thistles and tares? Children are born with diseases for the same reason these other maladies happen: Mobile Genetic Elements.

What is the relationship between sin and disease?
Sin causes disease - ALL DISEASE.

More sin more disease, less sin less disease?
There are different kinds of sin. So your question does not have a direct answer. I can tell you that a type of genetic variation caused by mobile genetic elements called copy number variation is associate with diseases just as muscular dystropy or friedrick's ataxia. You have a few copies of the affected gene, you don't heave the disease. You have many copies, and you do have the disease. Interestingly, if you very many copies, you may not manifest the disease. This is explained by the way the DNA folds, and thus the genes can not be expressed.

One single transposon has destroyed the CMAH gene, and thus one causes immunal reaction to the accumulation of Neuraminic Acid 5Gc (Neu5Gc) which is implicated in the generation of heart disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases, etc. from eating red meat. Note, you get many other things from eating meat, such as retroviruses, micro-RNAs etc. The Biblical prohibition against eating blood and things strangles is not an arbitrary rule.

So a simple answer can not be given for your question. I can say, Romans 5:20-21 So, the written law was given to increase awareness of sin and of our need for a Savior. But as sin continued to increase, so grace increased that much more. 21 Just as sin reigns over everyone through the power of death, so grace reigns through the righteousness of Jesus Christ unto eternal life over all who believe. Notice again, the cause of death is sin, not God.