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Re: A good reason to hypernate G-d
[Re: Gregory]
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12/30/12 03:09 PM
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Why don't they do the same with Christ, LORD, Jehovah, etc.???
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Re: A good reason to hypernate G-d
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12/30/12 05:16 PM
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Why use G-d and not -od, Go-, or G--, -o-, --d, or ---? The answer to your question is simple: It stems from the fact that the Bible was written in unpointed Hebrew. In unpointed Hebrew (transliterated into English), the word god would be written as "gd." It would not be written as "go," or "od." NOTE: Transliterated is a different word than translated. So, modern Jewish people writing in English write it as "g-d" with the hyphen indicating the the Hebrew root has been transliterated in its unpointed Hebrew form. Why don't they do the same with Christ, LORD, Jehovah, etc.??? You both missed the point stated on the first post of this thread. The english spelled word "god" has its roots from the name for the sun deity adapted by many nations. It is not a translation nor a tranliteration from the Hebrew "el" or any other Hebrew words. Nor does it have its roots from the Greek language, but it comes from the pagans sun worshippers. Words like Christ, & Jehovah has its roots from the Greek and Hebrew language and is a derivitave from it. These are proper to use. I haven't studied the roots of "Lord" so I cannot comment on that one. "G-d is not a name it is a title, but it originates from the teutonic word Gott the germanic pagan sun deity. The word "goths" is a related word referring also to the sun deity, ostrogoths (rising or eastern sun) was an ancient germanic tribe of eastern europe, the visigoths (falling or western sun) inhabited western europe. So the english word "god" is used as a title for YHWH but on ancient times it would be a germanic reference to the sun deity.
Deut. 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Ex. 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
So i put the dash in G-d so as not to write or cause another to speak or even think of this name of a pagan deity."
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Re: A good reason to hypernate G-d
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12/30/12 08:11 PM
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Why don't they do the same with Christ, LORD, Jehovah, etc.??? Because Jewish people do not recognize Christ as God.
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Re: A good reason to hypernate G-d
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12/30/12 08:17 PM
12/30/12 08:17 PM
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Why don't they do the same with Christ, LORD, Jehovah, etc.??? Because Jewish people do not recognize Christ as God. The Messianic Jews do.
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Re: A good reason to hypernate G-d
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G-d is not a name it is a title, but it originates from the teutonic word Gott the germanic pagan sun deity. The word "goths" is a related word referring also to the sun deity, ostrogoths (rising or eastern sun) was an ancient germanic tribe of eastern europe, the visigoths (falling or western sun) inhabited western europe. So the english word "god" is used as a title for YHWH but on ancient times it would be a germanic reference to the sun deity. You both missed the point stated on the first post of this thread.
The english spelled word "god" has its roots from the name for the sun deity adapted by many nations. It is not a translation nor a tranliteration from the Hebrew "el" or any other Hebrew words. Nor does it have its roots from the Greek language, but it comes from the pagans sun worshippers. I do not have the time to give a detailed response to what you have stated above. So, I will make it very short: The exact history of the words god/God is not conclusively known. NOTE: The words "god" and "God" are not the same. The word "God" is of relatively recent European origin and does not come from Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek or Latin. The word "god" clearly has a very ancient orgin. It is thought to stem from Proto-Indo-European roots. It has roots in Sanskrit and the Reg Veda. It has roots Greek mythology. It has two root in the Aryan. It has Germanic Indo-Eurpean roots. The bottom line: It can be traced back prior to the sun worship that you mention. But, scholars are not convinced that the conclusively know its roots. In any case, some of its previously thought roots are now rejected: the patriarchal name of the Buddha and many others.
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Re: A good reason to hypernate G-d
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12/30/12 08:57 PM
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Why use G-d and not -od, Go-, or G--, -o-, --d, or ---? The answer to your question is simple: It stems from the fact that the Bible was written in unpointed Hebrew. In unpointed Hebrew (transliterated into English), the word god would be written as "gd." It would not be written as "go," or "od." NOTE: Transliterated is a different word than translated. So, modern Jewish people writing in English write it as "g-d" with the hyphen indicating the the Hebrew root has been transliterated in its unpointed Hebrew form. Why don't they do the same with Christ, LORD, Jehovah, etc.??? You both missed the point stated on the first post of this thread. The english spelled word "god" has its roots from the name for the sun deity adapted by many nations. It is not a translation nor a tranliteration from the Hebrew "el" or any other Hebrew words. Nor does it have its roots from the Greek language, but it comes from the pagans sun worshippers. Words like Christ, & Jehovah has its roots from the Greek and Hebrew language and is a derivitave from it. These are proper to use. I haven't studied the roots of "Lord" so I cannot comment on that one. "G-d is not a name it is a title, but it originates from the teutonic word Gott the germanic pagan sun deity. The word "goths" is a related word referring also to the sun deity, ostrogoths (rising or eastern sun) was an ancient germanic tribe of eastern europe, the visigoths (falling or western sun) inhabited western europe. So the english word "god" is used as a title for YHWH but on ancient times it would be a germanic reference to the sun deity.
Deut. 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Ex. 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
So i put the dash in G-d so as not to write or cause another to speak or even think of this name of a pagan deity." Elle is here presenting his conviction. Although I do not share his conviction I think he has the full right to live and work by that conviction and remain in good and regular standing with my church. I see his point, but am personally persuaded that I make the due distinction in this word, by spelling it "god" when referring to other gods, and "God" when I refer to my Creator. It is an old rule in English as well as many other languages to write the words and names connected with our Christian divinity with a capital letter to distinguish them from other gods. When speaking or writing in the "name" of a god or God does not require the specific use of the name nor the word, but indicates the words spoken or written are in full harmony with the teachings of that divinity.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: A good reason to hypernate G-d
[Re: Johann]
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12/30/12 10:01 PM
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Elle is a she/her, rather than a he/his.
Elle is a French word for She.
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Re: A good reason to hypernate G-d
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12/30/12 10:50 PM
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"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: A good reason to hypernate G-d
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12/31/12 09:00 AM
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Apologies accepted but really no offence was made.
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Re: A good reason to hypernate G-d
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12/31/12 10:04 AM
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Elle's Friend :"G-d is not a name it is a title, but it originates from the teutonic word Gott the germanic pagan sun deity. The word "goths" is a related word referring also to the sun deity, ostrogoths (rising or eastern sun) was an ancient germanic tribe of eastern europe, the visigoths (falling or western sun) inhabited western europe. So the english word "god" is used as a title for YHWH but on ancient times it would be a germanic reference to the sun deity."
Elle : You both missed the point stated on the first post of this thread.
The english spelled word "god" has its roots from the name for the sun deity adapted by many nations. It is not a translation nor a tranliteration from the Hebrew "el" or any other Hebrew words. Nor does it have its roots from the Greek language, but it comes from the pagans sun worshippers.
Gregory : I do not have the time to give a detailed response to what you have stated above. So, I will make it very short:
The exact history of the words god/God is not conclusively known. How many ancient nations besides the Hebrews do we know were worshipping the true G-d? The word "God" is of relatively recent European origin and does not come from Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek or Latin. The underlined is important to note which states that it has a foreign origin. The word "god" clearly has a very ancient orgin. It is thought to stem from Proto-Indo-European roots. It has roots in Sanskrit and the Reg Veda. It has roots Greek mythology. It has two root in the Aryan. It has Germanic Indo-Eurpean roots. Agreed and many on this discussion has brought this out. The bottom line: It can be traced back prior to the sun worship that you mention. But, scholars are not convinced that the conclusively know its roots. In any case, some of its previously thought roots are now rejected: the patriarchal name of the Buddha and many others.
Despite that it can be traced "prior to Sun worship" whenever the scholars has concluded that time was, and I think this point is irrelevant whether during the time of Babel or prior to that if there were nations worshipping the sun or not and this word origin came from that or not and what has transpired from ages to ages with the origine of that name. But what we do see is the origin of "god" or "God", as you have noted, is found in many nation and culture. How many ancient nations besides the Hebrews worshipped the one and true G-d? Plus we know from the Lord that He has made His name s known to our patriarch. Actually, it was the first time the name "Jehovah" was reveal to Moses. Prior to that the Lord was known to Abraham and the others as El Shaddai. Exodus 6: 2 " And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I [am] the LORD: 3 And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—'God Almighty'*—but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them.. NLT Footnote: * El-Shaddai, which means “God Almighty,” is the name for God used in Gen 17:1; 28:3; 35:11; 43:14; 48:3.We also know that the Lord gave us these commandements : Deut. 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.Ex. 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
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