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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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01/01/13 06:14 PM
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True observations & good questions. I have often wondered about the contradictions... The only hope for these actions is conversion, a complete change of character. Otherwise we are all self-destructive. There was no Women's Liberation, only a more deceptive bondage for all mankind. "get a man.." Yes, sow a carnal seed and reap the fruit. None, even the church, have been educated aright. No discernment. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." _________________________
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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01/01/13 06:21 PM
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True, the Ten Commandments were specifically addressed to men - in letter and spirit.
But they apply to women as well.
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That was not in question. Fornication in mind and act is sin. The issue is that men are tempted to fornication differently than women and the dynamics and roles people play that tempt to sin need to be realized.
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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01/01/13 06:51 PM
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Men and women are created differently. Men are stimulated by sight. This is why Jesus told the men of His day, "whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
Men are stimulated by sight. The average man is attracted to a woman physically, before he is connected to her emotionally.
Women, on the other hand, are stimulated by the interested look, the sweet words, the touch.
Pornography is sold mainly to men -- not exclusively of course, but it is men who are the driving consumers of all types of pornography.
So in scripture we find that God has given certain commands to women regarding their appearance, so they will not stimulate men.
1 Timothy 2:9, which states, "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly clothing; "
And God has given different commands to men, such as in First Corinthians 7:1, which says, "It is good for a man not to touch a woman."
So while a woman is commanded to dress a certain way so the man is not stimulated, the man is commanded to act a certain way, to behave a certain way, so the woman is not stimulated.
I have often wondered about the contradictions women are giving --
1. They rightly demand that they be regarded as intellegent people with character and talents etc -- NOT as sex objects.
2. But then they dress like sex objects seemingly getting their "self-worth" by how many men they can get to look at them.
1. They rightly demand that they not be exploited sexually.
2. But then young girls (and adult women)dress like prostitutes when they go out. These young girls who dress in such a provocative way are putting themselves in danger.
And when mothers dress their little girls to look like hockers one can't help but realize the morality of our society is hitting an all time low.
Girls and women may think that's the way to "get a man" but the probability is extremely high that they will get the wrong type of man.
Very well said. I appreciate this perspective. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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01/01/13 07:20 PM
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On Danish TV today on New Year's Day was seen a review of the life of the royal family during 2012. For a while we saw the dresses used, because they show a pattern forming the latest trend, not only in Denmark, but in many places in the world.
It was pointed out that neither the Queen nor the Crown Princess, who came originally from Tasmania, had ever been seen in a dress that did not cover the knees, and that this should be the standard. Why would one wish to follow the world's standards? Does the Bible or the SOP seem inadequate or outdated? ______________________ For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law to themselves: 15 Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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01/01/13 08:42 PM
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I do not recall the exact wording, but not long ago I read where Ellen G. White stated that our women should follow the worldly standard when it is practical and healthy. Was she wrong in giving us such advise? I find this type of statement to be reprehensible. If Ellen White has said something so apparently contradictory of the Word of God, then please furnish the actual quote for us to see and judge for ourselves. It is wrong to misstate her words or to misapply them and teach others to do so. Your statement here is so out of context as to provide no context at all. Please find the statement. Without it, I reject the entire concept you have claimed she supported. I don't believe it until proven otherwise. Here is what the Bible says: And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. (Romans 12:2)
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (1 John 2:25) We have also this passage from 2 Corinthians: 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. I do not believe Mrs. White would have countered such concepts as these, and it is irresponsible to suggest she would have while giving no support for said suggestion. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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01/01/13 09:06 PM
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Green:
1. I think APL has already replied to your objection, and I trust you regard the words of the Bible on par with what EGW writes. If not, it is very difficult for you and me to come to the agreement on anything.
2. It appears like you evaluate what I wrote only by considering the first part, taking no consideration to what I added: "when it is practical and healthy."
3. The world around me uses warm clothing in the winter. Is it wrong of me to do that because the "world" does that?
4. My initial statement was that Danish female royalty wears decent dresses which reach well below the knees, and fortunately this influences many women. Your arguments could mean that our women should not do that. Do you mean their dresses should be shorter? Or what is your point?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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01/01/13 09:13 PM
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Johann,
You presented your commentary within the context of discussion regarding modesty of dress. Do you believe that the world's standard is modest? If not, why would you choose to present Ellen White as being in support of following such a standard?
Yet that is what you have done, whether intentionally or not. All I ask is that the actual statement be provided given the controversial nature of what you say she said. That is the responsible thing to do.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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01/01/13 09:16 PM
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Johann,
Indeed, when the whether turns cold, the world is forced to become more modest. Temptations increase in the summertime. We are to be modest if the world is modest or if it is not. We are not to follow the world, but to live by principle.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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01/01/13 09:23 PM
01/01/13 09:23 PM
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Green is off base. What Johann presented was the Danish royalty wearing modest dress, and that this was good and it would be a good standard Danish women. It even fits EGW's recommendations!
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace?
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01/01/13 09:25 PM
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Johann,
You presented your commentary within the context of discussion regarding modesty of dress. Do you believe that the world's standard is modest? If not, why would you choose to present Ellen White as being in support of following such a standard?
Yet that is what you have done, whether intentionally or not. All I ask is that the actual statement be provided given the controversial nature of what you say she said. That is the responsible thing to do.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. Will you permit me to say that you only read my post superficially without considering what I had really said?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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