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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: Johann] #148690
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: Johann] #148691
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Another interesting statement is this one:

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
Length of Dress.
553. The length of the fashionable dress is objectionable for several reasons:--
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{HL 125.3}
1. It is extravagant and unnecessary to have a dress of such length that it will sweep the sidewalk and street. {HL 126.1}
2. A dress thus long gathers dew from the grass and mud from the streets, and is therefore uncleanly. {HL 126.2}
3. In its bedraggled condition it comes in contact with the sensitive ankles, which are not sufficiently protected, quickly chilling them, and thus endangering health and life. This is one of the greatest causes of catarrh and scrofulous swellings. {HL 126.3}
4. The unnecessary length is an additional weight upon the hips and bowels. {HL 126.4}
5. It hinders the walking, and is also often in other people's way.-- T., V. I, p. 459. {HL 126.5}
If women would wear their dresses so as to clear the filth of the street an inch or two, their dresses would be modest, and they could be kept clean much more easily, and would wear longer.-- Ibid., p. 458. {HL 126.6}

Too Much Clothing.
554. You have worn too great an amount of clothing, and have debilitated the skin by so doing. You have not given your body a chance to breathe. The pores of the skin, or little mouths through which the body breathes, have become closed, and the system has been filled with impurities.-- T., V. III, p. 74. {HL 126.7}
555. I advise invalid sisters who have accustomed themselves to too great an amount of clothing, to lay it off gradually.-- T., V. II, p. 533. {HL 126.8}
556. Disease of every type is brought upon the body through the unhealthful, fashionable style of dress; and the fact should be made prominent that a reform must take place before treatment will effect a cure.-- T., V. IV, p. 582. {HL 126.9}


Except for the paragraph I italicized, the miniskirt would be fully acceptable. It would be healthful, per the standard given above. The italicized paragraph, however, does not address health so much as modesty.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: Green Cochoa] #148693
01/03/13 05:55 AM
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Many years ago I saw pictures of the Reform Dress Ellen White advocated for a while. As far as I recall the skirt reached some inches below the knees, but the women would wear trousers underneath which reached down to the ankles.

As far as I recall she later abandoned that Reform Dress, and one of the reasons she did that was that she did not want to dictate exactly how women should dress. That should be left to each individual to decide.

Do we have better prophets today than Ellen White?

Quote:
Reform, continual reform, must be kept before the people, and by our example we must enforce our teaching. True religion and the laws of health go hand in hand. . . By precept and example they must hold their perfect standard high above Satan’s false standard, which, if followed, will lead to misery, degradation, disease, and death for both body and soul. Let those who have obtained a knowledge of how to eat and drink and dress so as to preserve health, impart this knowledge to others. Let the poor have the gospel of health preached unto them from a practical point of view, that they may know how to care properly for the body, which is the temple of the Holy Spirit. {CH 480.2}


Take note that she speaks of continual reform. Does that call for a static type of dress?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: Johann] #148694
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: gordonb1] #148695
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And why do so many Church employees insist (to their own harm) that God's prophets were wrong and abandoned their inspired counsel?

This makes of no effect God's instruction, calling them false prophets.
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: gordonb1] #148697
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Originally Posted By: gordonb1

Continual reform means building on the light given.
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As defined by whom?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: gordonb1] #148698
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Originally Posted By: gordonb1

And why do so many Church employees insist (to their own harm) that God's prophets were wrong and abandoned their inspired counsel?

This makes of no effect God's instruction, calling them false prophets.
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What do you have in mind?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: Johann] #148703
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Honesty & transparency from those on the payroll would go many miles to restoring confidence among church members.
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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: gordonb1] #148705
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Originally Posted By: gordonb1

Honesty & transparency from those on the payroll would go many miles to restoring confidence among church members.
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This is particularly true because they have to work among so many illiterate church members as far as the doctrine of salvation is concerned, who use the Scriptures or Testimonies to judge others without a basic knowledge of what these contains.

I know, because I have had to fight my own way through this inherited mist. Having a devoted mother holding me on her lap while reading to me from the Testimonies, working through the Conflict series on my knees, going through school where the writings of Ellen White and the Bible were our basic textbooks, was a help and a great blessing. And still all of this was worthless without the message of Jesus Christ becamoming a living and personal experience.

One of my great danger periods was when I thought that now I had mastered it all, and I thought that as a young preacher I had all it took to thunder the message from the pulpit to my congregations. (I had nine churches in my first district as a pastor.) Things changed when I started sharing what this massage was doing to me and I saw the converting power in the lives of other people I was dealing with.

Even to a preacher the conversion must be a daily new message. There are too may sincere church members who with their judgments divert you attention away from Christ, and you feel you need to defend yourself.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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