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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter? [Re: Johann] #148656
01/02/13 06:16 AM
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Going back to what you said before, before we can know whether or not a particular Bible will support all of our doctrines we have to know what those doctrines are, right? The catch is that all of our doctrines are found in and supported by the Bible, right? So, in effect, we would be reasoning in a circle to presume to establish all of our doctrines upon a given version of the Bible. Better to establish first the quality of the Bible, then find our doctrines in it. Any other way accepts the potential loss of doctrines which we have been given by God.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter? [Re: Green Cochoa] #148661
01/02/13 09:04 AM
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The quotation you used from Acts of the Apostles a few posts ago gives me the assurance that I have none of the problems you mention, Green. God provides what I need to discover the TRUTH


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter? [Re: Johann] #148662
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Originally Posted By: Johann
I was replying to the post by Dave and therefore wrote in that context. I have no special burden to prefer the NIV. Why don't you use the Bible you are most comfortable with?

I have yet to see a Bible through which it is impossible to teach all of the doctrines of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Perhaps you can convince me there is such a Bible?
Have you checked the Jehovah Witness Bible as that has some outright deletions when it comes to Christ.

Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter? [Re: Rick H] #148676
01/02/13 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rick H
If the variations were but that, then there would be little difference, and small reason to lament. But when the chief purpose and the deletions and changes is to take out the divinity or our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, then we must stand firm and give fair warning of the danger at hand.
Regardless of whether it was originally in the Bible or not? Does what you want, what you desire predetermine whether a version is "valid"?

Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter? [Re: kland] #148677
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Not sure the Jehovah Witness Bible was considered for discussion. True, it is a "Bible". So is the Reader's Digest condensed version.

Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter? [Re: Rick H] #148687
01/02/13 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rick H
Originally Posted By: Johann
I was replying to the post by Dave and therefore wrote in that context. I have no special burden to prefer the NIV. Why don't you use the Bible you are most comfortable with?

I have yet to see a Bible through which it is impossible to teach all of the doctrines of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Perhaps you can convince me there is such a Bible?
Have you checked the Jehovah Witness Bible as that has some outright deletions when it comes to Christ.


Yes, when I have been dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses, I have used their own Bible where I also in some places find verses that explain SDA doctrines better than certain other versions do. It is nearly impossible to hide TRUTH completely. I never forget the time I greatly surprised one of the national leaders of JW when I showed him the wording in his own Bible which proved that he was preaching the doctrine of anti-Christ in how Jesus is returning. He had never seen anything like that before and tried to change the subject.

One of their members had asked their national leader to visit me at the conference office to explain to me what he was not able to do.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter? [Re: Johann] #148688
01/02/13 11:17 PM
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I should have explained that on my visit to one of our local churches in the conference where I was serving then, a young Adventist asked me to go with him out knocking on doors in an area where there were a number of Jehovah's Witnesses. We took them by surprise doing the work they thought was their special kind of work.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter? [Re: Johann] #148689
01/02/13 11:34 PM
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In stead of wasting your time on the weaknesses of certain Bible versions, why not use whatever Bible you have, know the powerful texts in that Bible, and proclaim the glad tidings to a world in darkness?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter? [Re: Johann] #148711
01/04/13 03:40 AM
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The worth of a translation is determined by the texts it was translated from, not by whether it agrees with our denominational presuppositions or whether it agrees with what Sister White wrote (though she did use translations based on Westcott and Hort's work). As for which has the majority of manuscripts? The so-called majority texts are not in the majority when one considers texts before the 10th century.

With that said, our doctrines are not the standard, but the word of God in its earliest discernible form is. And when looked at in the scrutiny of faithful and competent translation of an eclectically compiled Greek text, our doctrines do stand.

Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter? [Re: Alpendave] #148714
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I agree with you, Dave. I was just making the point that it is difficult to find a Bible that is so "corrupt" that it cannot be used to bring us the important message of salvation. By this I see how the Lord has protected his WORD from destruction throughout the attacks of evil forces.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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