"The world has converted the Church"
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Several years ago I checked this out by reading every place in her writings where she refers to the color red. I found just a few where she speaks of clothing.

1. She liked the red coat of her granddaughter

2. Her secretary left her red stockings in America when they went to Australia. Ellen White wrote to a friend in America who was coming to Australia and asked that person to bring along those red stockings.

Those are the only two references I recall now.

I think you missed my point. I was contrasting the two trees. There was nothing natural about the one tree.

Johann, was there something about Ellen White's writings regarding Christmas you would like to discuss? I got the feeling you thought she meant differently.

Well, yes, since you asked. In this discussion I noticed DEDICATION presented quite a few wonderful quotations by Ellen G White on Christmas. It appears to me that some of the people participating in this discussion prefer ignoring anything presented by such an authority, and displaying their own vain wisdom about some pagan gods, rather than what the Lord Himself is able to bring to His children.

Am I too concerned about this matter?

Re. Red Dress:

Johann, there is a 3rd statement by EGW that you did not cite. in writing to a specific woman, EGW stated that she (the other woman) looked well in red. And, EGW sent that woman a gift of three pieces of cloth, one was red, and encouraged her to make herself a dress out of each of the pieces of cloth.

Thank you Gregory! I have no recollection of finding this reference. I think every SDA worker should have a good knowledge of the matters Ellen White deals with. Through my half century of work with church members I have discovered that there is a great ignorance of what she really deals with, and this even marks some of those who pride themselves with being the most conservative among us, who have traced a pattern by which they judge their fellow believers from a few select quotations they have come across or borrowed from others in similar circumstances.

With this I am not pointing out specific individuals, just a trend I have seen in various countries, where such lines take different directions according to cultural patterns in the local society.

Study the Scriptures and Testimonies, applying it to yourself before you make it at base to judge others by it.

Yes, that was what I was referring to. Is there one of them you'd like to discuss? As I get the feeling you think they support the idea of celebrating Christmas the way we do.

Can anyone name me one Adventist who claims to celebrate or worship Mithra?

Many claims are being made. . .

Many years ago our local Book and Bible House happened to have a book or two in their stock that were published by a Pentecostal church.

Just yesterday I visited a senior church member who insisted that our SDA leaders are spiritualists, and he claimed he could prove it. Since the Pentecostals do not share our view on the state of the dead, they must be spiritualists. And since our conference president at that time (I think he died about 20 years ago) did not stop this sale immediately he must have been a spiritualist, even if the books were removed at a later date. And since none of the later presidents have ever made a public statement about it, they must also be spiritualists.

So where do you find TRUTH?