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Who Are The 24 Elders of Revelation 4:4?
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01/09/13 04:39 PM
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Who are the 24 Elders of Revelation 4:4?
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Re: Who Are The 24 Elders of Revelation 4:4?
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01/09/13 07:55 PM
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It has been a general concept that at lest most of these 24 elders rose from the dead at the time of the resurrection of Christ, and that they were taken to heaven as representing the children of God on earth, and also as witnesses in the vindication of God in teh final judgment.
Have any of you seen a solid Scriptural verification for a different understanding?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Who Are The 24 Elders of Revelation 4:4?
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01/09/13 09:34 PM
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It has been a general concept that at lest most of these 24 elders rose from the dead at the time of the resurrection of Christ, and that they were taken to heaven as representing the children of God on earth, and also as witnesses in the vindication of God in teh final judgment.
Have any of you seen a solid Scriptural verification for a different understanding? since they are clothed in white raiment as overcomers are, I have always heard your scenario. Seems like I heard Stephen B give a presentation that concluded that they were from unfallen worlds. He cited Spirit of Prophecy, but I did not check all his references at the time.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: Who Are The 24 Elders of Revelation 4:4?
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01/10/13 07:23 PM
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Seems like I heard Stephen B give a presentation that concluded that they were from unfallen worlds. He cited Spirit of Prophecy, but I did not check all his references at the time.
I did. At the time he was giving that lecture, I had the book, 'Desire of Ages' on my lap and looked up his referrences. They are NOT in there. He had the text posted on a screen with parens showing what he wanted them to say. Llke, "the 24 elders (Aliens)"..etc... I turned him off.
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Re: Who Are The 24 Elders of Revelation 4:4?
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I would think parenthesis would indicate a writer knows it was not in there, but uses parenthesis for indicating his interpretation. If he had left the parenthesis off, then you would have legitimate objection.
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Re: Who Are The 24 Elders of Revelation 4:4?
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Who are the 24 Elders of Revelation 4:4?
You can use different sources, online or offline, along with the Bible to substantiate your responses. Could they be the same as the sons of God meeting in Job?
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Re: Who Are The 24 Elders of Revelation 4:4?
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How about Gen 6:2 or Hosea 2:1?
Would sons be elders?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Who Are The 24 Elders of Revelation 4:4?
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01/11/13 11:10 AM
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Seems like I heard Stephen B give a presentation that concluded that they were from unfallen worlds. He cited Spirit of Prophecy, but I did not check all his references at the time.
I did. At the time he was giving that lecture, I had the book, 'Desire of Ages' on my lap and looked up his referrences. They are NOT in there. He had the text posted on a screen with parens showing what he wanted them to say. Llke, "the 24 elders (Aliens)"..etc... I turned him off. It is good to keep ones eyes open and check. So many refuse to check themselves in fear they might have to change their minds.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Who Are The 24 Elders of Revelation 4:4?
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How about Gen 6:2 or Hosea 2:1?
Would sons be elders? Are all references to sons of God the same or could they apply differently? Not sure what you meant by Hosea 2:1...
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Re: Who Are The 24 Elders of Revelation 4:4?
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Who are the 24 Elders of Revelation 4:4?
You can use different sources, online or offline, along with the Bible to substantiate your responses. Could they be the same as the sons of God meeting in Job? If they are the sons of God identified in Job, doesn't that gives credence to SB's assertion "aliens"? They are clothed in white raiment. "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;" Revelation 3:5. Hence an overcomer, i.e., translated earthling or someone resurrected with Christ when He ascended to heaven.
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