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Re: Proof-Texting, how should scripture be used. [Re: Johann] #149102
01/16/13 10:38 PM
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We should all be interested in God's agenda and not our own agenda.

In other words, God's agenda should also be our agenda.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Proof-Texting, how should scripture be used. [Re: Daryl] #149103
01/16/13 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
We should all be interested in God's agenda and not our own agenda.

In other words, God's agenda should also be our agenda.


Why do we so often substitute it with our own agenda?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Proof-Texting, how should scripture be used. [Re: Johann] #149104
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Originally Posted By: Johann
Originally Posted By: Daryl
We should all be interested in God's agenda and not our own agenda.

In other words, God's agenda should also be our agenda.


Why do we so often substitute it with our own agenda?

Why so many denominations?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Proof-Texting, how should scripture be used. [Re: Daryl] #149108
01/17/13 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
Originally Posted By: Johann
Originally Posted By: Daryl
We should all be interested in God's agenda and not our own agenda.

In other words, God's agenda should also be our agenda.


Why do we so often substitute it with our own agenda?

Why so many denominations?


It is still a great mystery to me why so many in our own denomination are so fiercely unwilling to follow the clear word of God when we are told that the Holy Spirit is preparing both men and women to be pastors. There must be some power working against the Lord.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Proof-Texting, how should scripture be used. [Re: Johann] #149197
01/23/13 09:02 PM
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If the WO issue was so clear, then why is this an issue in the first place?

This is a example of not properly proof texting the Bible in relation to this issue and any other issue, which brings us back to the question on how should Scripture be used?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Proof-Texting, how should scripture be used. [Re: Daryl] #149205
01/24/13 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
If the WO issue was so clear, then why is this an issue in the first place?

This is a example of not properly proof texting the Bible in relation to this issue and any other issue, which brings us back to the question on how should Scripture be used?


The committee is also spending quite a bit of time on hermeneutics, the term used for how to read and understand the Bible. The various churches and denominations use different methods how they use the Bible. How many different methods should we be using in our church? Why do we allow different methods for various doctrines?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Proof-Texting, how should scripture be used. [Re: Johann] #149223
01/25/13 10:38 AM
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Good question!!!!

What are the different methods being used?


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Re: Proof-Texting, how should scripture be used. [Re: Daryl] #149238
01/27/13 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
Good question!!!!

What are the different methods being used?


Yes, this is a good question, but an important one, although it is difficult to explain it fully.One reason why it is taking our church so many years to define it.

As a starter let me quote from Wikepedia:

Quote:
Fundamentalism had multiple roots in British and American theology of the 19th century.[11] One root was Dispensationalism, a new interpretation of the Bible developed in the 1830s in England. It was a millenarian theory that divided all of time into seven different stages, called "dispensations," which were seen as stages of God's revelation. At the end of each stage, according to this theory, God punished humanity for having been found wanting in God's testing. Secularism, liberalism, and immorality in the 1920s were believed to be signs that humanity had again failed God's testing. This means that the world is on the verge of the last stage, where a final battle will take place at Armageddon, followed by Christ's return and 1,000 year reign.[12] One important sign is the rebirth of Israel, support for which became the centerpiece of Fundamentalist foreign policy.[13]

A second stream came from Princeton Theology in the mid-19th century, which developed the doctrine of inerrancy in response to higher criticism of the Bible.[14][15] The work of Charles Hodge influenced fundamental insistence that the Bible was inerrant because it had been dictated by God and written by men who took that dictation. This meant that the Bible should be read differently from any other historical document, and also that modernism and liberalism were believed to lead people to hell just like non-Christian religions.[12]


Let me the just say that although a number of Seventh-day Adventist subscribe to these streams, both of these streams are officially rejected by the SDA church as well as by Ellen G White.

This is where our trouble begins. Try to discover why both EGW and SDA reject both of those streams of fundamentalism.

And then we have a great problem because some of our Conservative scholars would like to classify us as fundamentalists. We also have this problem that some of the fundamentalists claim that their understanding of Scripture is the only solution to modernism and what they call liberalism. A number of SDA have jumped on that bandwagon, thereby really rejecting EGW and some of our fundamental doctrines, without seemingly realizing it themselves.

It hurts deeply when some of these "conservatives" jump at you for wanting to be faithful to our old understanding of Adventism by labeling you a liberal or a rebel!

This is but a starter.

Last edited by Johann; 01/27/13 09:18 PM.

"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Proof-Texting, how should scripture be used. [Re: Johann] #149249
01/28/13 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: Johann
The committee is also spending quite a bit of time on hermeneutics, the term used for how to read and understand the Bible. The various churches and denominations use different methods how they use the Bible. How many different methods should we be using in our church? Why do we allow different methods for various doctrines?
Maybe only the conference should tell us what the Bible says?

Re: Proof-Texting, how should scripture be used. [Re: kland] #149251
01/28/13 03:46 PM
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Are the suggestions given by Ellen White getting to be too old fashioned?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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