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Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Daryl] #148790
01/06/13 07:58 AM
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Hebrews 11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.

3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Johann] #148795
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Until the 20th Century it was completely by faith, but tangible scientific evidence has since been found, which is important in the teaching of creation in light of all the false scientific teaching of evolution out there in the schools and universities.


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Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Daryl] #148796
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
Until the 20th Century it was completely by faith, but tangible scientific evidence has since been found, which is important in the teaching of creation in light of all the false scientific teaching of evolution out there in the schools and universities.


You are making a challenging statement, Daryl. If the 20th Century has changed the basis of our faith, how does that effect our relationship with our Creator?

Is it any easier winning souls for Christ in the Western World now than before, since we have more "tangible evidence" than Scripture?

Should a minister today have more education in science than in the Bible in order to do the required work in relationship with people?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Johann] #148799
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Pistis - - Faith, Trust, Belief. When we have more evidence, does that mean we have less faith? On the contrary. We have more faith!!! Without evidence, we can have no faith, no trust, no belief.

God never asks us to believe, without giving sufficient evidence upon which to base our faith. His existence, His character, the truthfulness of His word, are all established by testimony that appeals to our reason; and this testimony is abundant. Yet God has never removed the possibility of doubt. Our faith must rest upon evidence, not demonstration. Those who wish to doubt will have opportunity; while those who really desire to know the truth will find plenty of evidence on which to rest their faith. {SC 105.2}


- Original:
πίστις
- Transliteration: Pistis
- Phonetic: pis'-tis


- Strong's:
From [url=tw://[self]?G3982]G3982[/url]; persuasion that is credence; moral conviction (of religious truth or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher) especially reliance upon christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance belief believe faith fidelity.

Faith

[Heb. 'emu ̂n; 'emûnah; Gr. pistis.]

1. A confidence of heart and mind in God and His ways that leads one to act in accordance with His sovereign will (2 Corinthians 5:7; Hebrews 11:8). This faith is not based upon a blind, unintelligent acquiescence, but upon a supreme trust in the ability and integrity of God (Deuteronomy 7:9; 1 Kings 8:56; 1 Corinthians 1:9; Hebrews 10:23; 2 Timothy 1:12; etc.). Such a faith is a prerequisite for any approach to Deity (Hebrews 11:6). It is by means of faith in Christ that one is justified (Romans 3:28; Romans 5:1; Galatians 2:16; Galatians 3:8; Galatians 3:25; etc.). Christ's righteousness becomes ours through faith in Him (Philippians 3:9). The believer's faith in God enables the Lord to do miraculous things for him and through him (Matthew 9:21-22; James 5:14-15; etc.). True faith cannot be passive, but manifests itself in works of righteousness (Galatians 5:6; James 2:17-18; James 2:20-21; James 2:26; etc.). Paul emphatically denied that faith abolished the law (Romans 3:31) or one's obligations to the law (Romans 6:1); rather it placed one in a position where, through Christ, the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in him (Romans 8:1-4).

2. That which is believed; the system of Christian doctrines. Because of the power and conviction that accompanied the preaching of the gospel by the apostles “a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith” (Acts 6:7). The sorcerer Elymas endeavored to prejudice Sergius Paulus, the deputy of Cyprus, against “the faith” (Acts 13:6-7). Paul exhorted his converts “to continue in the faith” (Acts 14:22). See also Philippians 1:27; James 2:1; Jude 1:3.

3. Faithfulness, fidelity. This is the meaning particularly of the Heb. ́emûnah, rendered “faith” in Habakkuk 2:4. Where Paul quotes this text in Romans 1:17 he may be giving to faith the more extended meaning of NT faith. Pistis does, however, have the meaning “faithfulness” in Romans 3:3; Titus 2:10; Galatians 5:22 and doubtless in other texts to a greater or lesser degree.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: APL] #148803
01/06/13 09:47 PM
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I didn't say anything about the basis of our faith being changed from the Bible to Science, however, I think it is a plus when what the Bible says can be proven by Science, as is now in the case of Dr. Robert Gentry at http://www.halos.com


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Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Johann] #148816
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Originally Posted By: Darius
I am beginning to wonder if anyone carefully read the Genesis account of creation. Do you really believe it is possible for water to be in existence BEFORE the first day of creation began?
Yes. Yes, most definitely.

Originally Posted By: gordonb1

God was not indebted to pre-existing matter.
True. But does that require God does not nor cannot use pre-existing matter? But more relevantly, does this say anything about whether He did or did not use pre-existing matter at creation?

Originally Posted By: Johann
Is it any easier winning souls for Christ in the Western World now than before, since we have more "tangible evidence" than Scripture?
No, of course not. Facts and evidence does not change one's mind. Many evolutionists can look right at contradictory evidence and not bat an eye. Same goes through those looking at the Bible or Ellen White's comments which contradict their opinion.

Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Green Cochoa] #148817
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
For this reason, I have no clear argument against the earth being millions of years old. However, any fossils or sedimentary layers containing fossils (cretacious rock) would necessarily be no more than six thousand years old.
One minor disagreement here. While the "layers" would necessarily be of young age, one way they could measure the layers is that of which they are made up of. The broken up fragments could indicate a long age. Imagine a radiohalo within a fragment in the sedimentary layers. Or the age of the soil, sand, etc.

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"In the beginning..." seems to place the creation of Heaven and Earth at the same time.
You showed God's definition of Earth. What is His definition of Heaven?

Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Daryl] #148818
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
Until the 20th Century it was completely by faith,
Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: kland] #148981
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Evidence of Creation through the granite rocks substantiates the Bible.

Evidence of the Flood also substantiates the Bible.

Prophecy fulfilled also substantiates the Bible.


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Re: Scientific Evidence of Creation & the Flood Substantiates the Bible [Re: Daryl] #149265
01/29/13 01:19 AM
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Archaeology (spelled correctly?) also substantiates the Bible.

Did you ever see the presentation titled, "Dead Men Do Tell Tales"?


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