I see two problems with your problems: 1) Such a rigid stand against the KJV rendering should require of you to take a similar stand against the KJV wording which is used against the ordination of of women, and 2)You have already stated that you find it "improbable that the inhabitants of other worlds would be referred to as "angels,""

But Pastor Johann, it's not a "rigid stand;" it's just that, as the SDABC states, the KJV rendering of verses 9, 10 was probably based on the Latin Vulgate, as I had quoted previously, not on the Gr. manuscripts:



And, if I find it improbable that the inhabitants of other worlds would be referred to as "angels," I find it still more improbable that human beings would be referred to as "angels" (once Smith's view is that the 24 elders are human beings, probably those resurrected with Christ).

As we near the close of this world’s history, the prophecies relating to the last days especially demand our study. The last book of the New Testament scriptures is full of truth that we need to understand. Satan has blinded the minds of many, so that they have been glad of any excuse for not making the Revelation their study. But Christ through His servant John has here declared what shall be in the last days, and He says, “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein.” Revelation 1:3.
“This is life eternal,” Christ said, “that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent.” John 17:3. Why is it that we do not realize the value of this knowledge? Why are not these glorious truths glowing in our hearts, trembling upon our lips, and pervading our whole being? – Christ´s Object Lessons p. 133

Angelos is a messenger. Does God use both human and divine messengers?

Rev. 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Rev. 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen,

Rev. 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice


Who are those angels?

It seems the word "angel" can be used either for the angelic host in heaven, or for anyone carrying a message to other.

In this verse -- is the "angel" refering to a human prophet?

Joshua 2:1 And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers;

There are places where the term angel is even used for God!

speaking of Moses:
Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush... 3:4 God called unto him out of the midst of the bush

speaking of Jacob
Gen. 31:11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, [saying], Jacob: ...1:13 I am the God

Thank you, Dedication!

Well, we do not all see eye to eye. As I see it, one thing is the use of aggelos or malach in the Bible with the meaning of "messenger" (for these words do mean "messenger" in their original language, not always referring to the creatures we know today as "angels"); another thing would be the use of "angel," an English word, to refer to human beings. I've never seen this use of the term by Ellen White.

The words of a human "angel"?

Or of a human messenger?

It just doesn't seem right to think of the 24 elders as angels. That is a relative new idea.

Mostly people think of them as a special group of resurrected men taken to heaven to serve as a heavenly "jury" (a jury of our peers)or representing the 24 courses of priests in the earthly temple, or representing the 12 tribes (OT) and the 12 apostles (NT) --the two witnesses. Though the last is doubtful as the apostles were still alive on earth at Jesus ascension.


"And round about the throne [were] four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. Four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders"

The bible lists the elders as a distinct group apart from the "many angels".

They seem to be Priests -- with censors and incense.

"Elders" in scripture are general leaders in the church or "at the gate". The phrase "chief priests and elders" occurs often in the NT.
Elder -- means older.
Angels don't grow old. So it seems strange to have elder angels.

The fact that they sit on thrones indicates that they reign with Christ. It is to humans that the scripture makes the promise that they will reign with Christ.

So now we see the 24 elders being priests and kings.

So when they say:

5:11 Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

They do seem to be talking about themselves, and if so they are also redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.