I would say there is such a thing as "Christian Music", but is there really such thing as "Christian Rock Music"???

Do you realize that waltzes were considered evil in their days?

Men have always found a way to make something evil out of what God gave us.

But think about this brother. This is a simplified version of a deep subject.

When Moses left Egypt with their wealth, Egypt went bankrupt and many of the more prominent priests left Egypt with all of their influence and took their show to Pergamum and influenced the music of northern Africa.

Flash forward a couple of thousand years and guess where the Colonies begin to take slaves from? Northern Africa. The music was brought to the shores of America in mainly the port of New Orleans and converted into 'gospel' music through a suppressed race being forced into Christianity.

They were told only to use the black keys on the piano, which forced them to make music in the Pentatonic (Five note) scale which is where all the influence for Blues came from, which directly influenced Rock and Roll, which became repackaged with a new label and brought into the church.

How's that for condensing?

Case in point, JSOT, as per our PM discussion. Do you Have ANY documentation or support of ANY kind to back up this statement?

Just wondering.

I had been studying rock music most of my life before being converted, and now God uses me to share what I've learned to warn others.

Here are some search queries for the lazy to get started in proving this last statement.

Origins of the Blues (See wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_blues)

Pentatonic scale/ five black keys

The third Position of the all black key pentatonic scale is even called the 'Egyptian Suspended scale' because of it's similarities to the music from Egypt that started that tone of music.

The main element of Egyptian influence in our music is in the rhythms and syncopation. These elements are borrowed directly from the Egyptian influenced music from the Days of Moses.

Remember when Moses came down off the mountain and Joshua said he heard war in the camp, Moses said "no they are partying" because he knew the sound of the music. That music was used in worship of the Egyptian god Osiris, represented by the golden calf. This Egyptian god was most similar to the story of Jesus and Satan wanted to distract God's people before receiving the law.

Moses did his best to rid the people of that influence but it arose later in America.

This next quote is from SDA Lloyd Leno's article "Music and the Great Controversy"

... we again turn to the historian Budge, former keeper of Egyptian antiquities in the British museum... this traditional Egyptian style of music and dance spread to the Sudan and Northwest part of Africa where the essential symbolic elements are still very much present and observable. He cites observations of the dress, actions and behavior of the dances using such expressions as "Obscene" "Lewdness" and "distinguishing indecency". (Budge 234, 239)
Budge specifically identifies the most famous of the professional dancing women among the Egyptians, the Ghawazi tribe, that there style of dance using rapid vibrating motion of their hips from side to side are direct descendants of the professional dancers and singers who were part of the temple service in ancient Egypt.
...There is a direct connection between the religious practices of Egypt and that of the west African people"


I could go on and on but you need to do the research yourself JAK.

Now imagine my life experience, being lead to these conclusions, and immediately in that same day two SDA pastors come to my door and tell me they're selling my church to build a celebration type mega church and using flattery to try and get me to orchestrate their staging and music production.

Tell me you wouldn't think you were being assailed by Satan through the church. It happened, I was.

You know I will not accept your say-so as authouritative.


Try to confine your digs to our PM, or Daryl will have us turfed off of this forum. (Didn't you read his warning?)


Wikipedia, though interesting to read, is hardly a recognized authority. Any Joe can post there, and it is not peer-reviewed.


Citation needed.


Citation needed.


At least this references someone other than yourself. But who is Leno? What are his credentials? Is he a historian or a trombone player? And he is quoting Budge, so this information is, at best, second hand.



No doubt. That was never in debate.



No, I don't. You need to supply support for your statements.

To restate my earlier challenge, please provide credible citations for the following statements from the above quote:

1. Egypt went bankrupt
2. many of the more prominent priests (especially the "more prominant" statement.)
3. took their show to Pergamum This requires two clarifications. First, a credible citation. Second, a tie-in with the discussion. (ie: What is the significance of the priests going to Pergamum. Pergamum is in Turkey)

I've had good teachers.

This post relates to the above quote and the three posts following it, asking for evidence that we should pray to Jesus. (Post numbers 149716, 149720, and 149722)

We should really start a new thread on this topic, or find an existing one and continue it.

But, that being said, you (JSOT) did not address my Biblical reference in John 14:14 with a Biblical response. You did, however, cite yourself and 2 EGW quotes as authorities.

You must know by this time that I do not accept your opinion as authoritative, despite the voices in your head.*

If you have researched any of my other posts in the past you will have found that I also reject EGW as authoritative.

So, essentially, you have not addressed the challenge.

*Daryl, you can't turf me off for that statement, since he himself admits to it. (See posts #141235 and 141347)

"Amazing Grace", but John Newton, Pentatonic scale.