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Originally Posted By: Elle
If anyone wants to buy precious metals and never have done this before, you can contact me and I'll send you links and info. Actually I can also provide it soon here in this discussion if it's ok with Daryl that I do so. Actually that would be more convenient for all of us as you would maintain your privacy.
In His Love, Mercy & Grace,
Daryl
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
What good will money be in an extended crisis? Read Genesis 47.
? Are you referring to a famine into all the land and Egypt provided food? That is not the prophecy type we are facing today, with the coming fall of Babylon. When ancient Babylon was destroyed and taken by the Medo-Persia(Kings of the East), there were no famine in the land after its destruction. The people weren't destroyed either under the new empire and life resume as usual but under a different governance and laws. This is what we're facing as reveal in the type. The crisis happened while being under the corrupt Babylonian government, but the Kings of the East released the people from that bondage. There's no crisis coming after the fall but the very opposite. There will be a lot of cleaning up and restructuring within each country.
We don't know how everything is going to play out in terms of the existing banks closing. These banks are all totally bankrupt with trillions in derivatives and a high stack of criminal records against them. When a business closes, and its balance sheet says minus trillion of dollars, then normally all assets are seized.
Most sources says all the savers funds will be lost, for sure those in bonds and stock markets. But concerning the cash balance in the bank, I have heard a few sources that says that the Kings of the East of today will somehow make a smooth transaction possible from the corrupt system to the new. We just don't know what will happen as there's lots of mis-information circuling around. However we receive a fair warning. We have heard and seen many signs clearly this past year.
I see withdrawing your savings out before the collapse is the minimal wise thing to do. But don't do what I say. Everyone needs to pray to the Lord about this and follow what He says for you to do.
Blessings
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: Elle]
#151169 03/24/1301:10 PM03/24/1301:10 PM
What if the are supply shortages? What if there is then hyper-inflation? What happens when your savings (gold or fiat dollars) are gone? How much does a typical person have in savings? As Genesis 47 shows, you over time become slaves of the government, after it has taken all your money, all your livelihood (live stock) and finally all your land. Look at the fall of Rome, which its military expansion, shortages of all goods, and finally hyper-inflation. Money of any kind, is like art, it only has value if others also esteem it to have value. Who are you going to depend on then? Your money, now gone? Your government? There is only one that can be depended on. God.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son!{ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: APL]
#151178 03/24/1307:09 PM03/24/1307:09 PM
What happens when your savings (gold or fiat dollars) are gone?
Life will continue like in the type of the overthrow of ancient Babylon. There was no lack and there will be much more jobs and money in circulation after Babylon is gone. However Babylon's fiat money and system which belongs to the Rothchilds empire and other Sabattean families allied with them will be destroyed. Each nation will produce their own money backed with Gold and their own resources they have in their own country.
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How much does a typical person have in savings?
Most people have none, but those that have a little, it could be very wise to transfer it in something that will retain its value.
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As Genesis 47 shows, you over time become slaves of the government, after it has taken all your money, all your livelihood (live stock) and finally all your land.
Yes and that's is what is currently going on right now as the bankers are taking everything if the country doesn't pay back the money with interest.
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Look at the fall of Rome, which its military expansion, shortages of all goods, and finally hyper-inflation. Money of any kind, is like art, it only has value if others also esteem it to have value. Who are you going to depend on then? Your money, now gone? Your government? There is only one that can be depended on. God.
The Lord let us know what is to come and it is very clear that Babylon is going to fall by the hand of the Kings of the East like it did with ancient Babylon. The Kings of the East today is some ancient emperial family from China. Over the years(50+) they have allied themselves with 180 countries all waging war against the Sabateans Cabalist. This emperial family are not the current Chinese government. Also they do not want to rule the earth or other countries as they have learn over the millenium that the Lord is King. However, they know that the King of Kings have given them a mandate to deliver the world from the Cabal Tyrannical system. Each countries will be free to govern themselves and history will be there warning not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Basically that's all these people know.
However, we know from Daniel and Revelation that when Babylon will fall, Elohim will give the Kingdom to His elects. They are the ones that will rule the earth with Jesus. This is what the Law and the prophecies teaches.
You may say that we will go to heaven for 1000 year... however this is not Biblical and is an interpretation coming from men that have added or twisted certain texts while ignoring explict text like Zech 14:9; Dan 2:35,44; Dn 7:14, 18, 22, 27; Rev 11:15; Rev 5:10; 20:4; & others that contradict their interpretation. I was challenge on this by Daryl last year, and no-one was able to find biblical support that the millenium will be in heaven contrary to the text above saying explictly that the Kingdom is on earth and we will rule on earth. The study can be foundThe 2nd Coming, Judgment, & the 1000 Years. Check it out.
Blessings
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: Elle]
#151198 03/24/1310:30 PM03/24/1310:30 PM
Shortages of what? Oh, nothing much, just things like food, fuel, spare parts, clothing, ... This is in part because of the current globalization, which will collapse. Globalization works because of cheap transportation and labor. Is hyper-inflation going on now? No. It happened at the fall of the Roman empire. The price of bread inflated to 34,000 times its historic value. It has happen sporadically in recent times, but are we seeing it right now? No. 1000 years - ok, so the SOP is out. Money - fiat currency will fail. Where do you hope to store your gold? Some place safe I hope, were it won't get stolen. Matthew 6:19-21Lay not up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust does corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust does corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Luke 12:33-34Sell that you have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that fails not, where no thief approaches, neither moth corrupts.34For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Israel's first temple was full of gold, silver and bronze beyond weighing. Some estimates put the amount of gold in it at around $350,000,000,000.00 in today's dollars. What good did it do for them? If our trust is not in the Lord, it will not make any difference how much gold you have.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son!{ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: APL]
#151199 03/24/1311:35 PM03/24/1311:35 PM
Shortages of what? Oh, nothing much, just things like food, fuel, spare parts, clothing, ... This is in part because of the current globalization, which will collapse. Globalization works because of cheap transportation and labor. Is hyper-inflation going on now? No. It happened at the fall of the Roman empire. The price of bread inflated to 34,000 times its historic value. It has happen sporadically in recent times, but are we seeing it right now? No. 1000 years - ok, so the SOP is out. Money - fiat currency will fail. Where do you hope to store your gold? Some place safe I hope, were it won't get stolen. Matthew 6:19-21Lay not up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust does corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust does corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Luke 12:33-34Sell that you have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that fails not, where no thief approaches, neither moth corrupts.34For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Israel's first temple was full of gold, silver and bronze beyond weighing. Some estimates put the amount of gold in it at around $350,000,000,000.00 in today's dollars. What good did it do for them? If our trust is not in the Lord, it will not make any difference how much gold you have.
APL your argument does not look at the Type about the fall of Babylon layed out by the Lord in the history and prophesy. The TYPE says there will be food, clothing and etc... after the fall of Babylon. Thus, countries will have to have their money backed with something real like gold and silver and other commodities as people and nations will still need to buy and sell between themselves and "trusting" in the Lord without having any system of value in place will make trading very unrealistic and complicated. In the Law of Moses there was always value associated with everything and it was based on gold silver barley and other commodities. We need to go back to the Lord economical system and that's what the sons(the body=royal priesthood) of the High Priest(Jesus) will be doing.
You talk about trusting in the Lord. APL why isn't your trust in the Lord's past revelation and Biblical prophecies?
Blessings
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: Elle]
#151209 03/25/1312:44 AM03/25/1312:44 AM
Shortages of what? Oh, nothing much, just things like food, fuel, spare parts, clothing, ... This is in part because of the current globalization, which will collapse. Globalization works because of cheap transportation and labor. Is hyper-inflation going on now? No. It happened at the fall of the Roman empire. The price of bread inflated to 34,000 times its historic value. It has happen sporadically in recent times, but are we seeing it right now? No. 1000 years - ok, so the SOP is out. Money - fiat currency will fail. Where do you hope to store your gold? Some place safe I hope, were it won't get stolen. Matthew 6:19-21Lay not up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust does corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust does corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Luke 12:33-34Sell that you have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that fails not, where no thief approaches, neither moth corrupts.34For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Israel's first temple was full of gold, silver and bronze beyond weighing. Some estimates put the amount of gold in it at around $350,000,000,000.00 in today's dollars. What good did it do for them? If our trust is not in the Lord, it will not make any difference how much gold you have.
APL your argument does not look at the Type about the fall of Babylon layed out by the Lord in the history and prophesy. The TYPE says there will be food, clothing and etc... after the fall of Babylon. Thus, countries will have to have their money backed with something real like gold and silver and other commodities as people and nations will still need to buy and sell between themselves and "trusting" in the Lord without having any system of value in place will make trading very unrealistic and complicated. In the Law of Moses there was always value associated with everything and it was based on gold silver barley and other commodities. We need to go back to the Lord economical system and that's what the sons(the body=royal priesthood) of the High Priest(Jesus) will be doing.
You talk about trusting in the Lord. APL why isn't your trust in the Lord's past revelation and Biblical prophecies?
Did Elijah have a economical system in which to work? Was is bread and water sure? Yes. When all hell breaks loose, will you be able to buy and sell with out the mark of the beast? Maybe if you have enough gold! Buy Gold! But bury it in a safe place.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son!{ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: Elle]
#151228 03/25/1304:33 PM03/25/1304:33 PM
If anyone wants to buy precious metals and never have done this before, you can contact me and I'll send you links and info. Actually I can also provide it soon here in this discussion if it's ok with Daryl that I do so. Actually that would be more convenient for all of us as you would maintain your privacy.
Oh, Oh, Oh. That is so sad. So very sad.
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012
[Re: Elle]
#151344 03/29/1311:01 AM03/29/1311:01 AM
Yes, BRIIICS, with three “I”s. That’s because to the countries of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa (which have just held a summit in Durban, South Africa) will soon be added Iran and Indonesia.
Iran is a stalwart moral and political leader. It stands up against Zionism. It has huge natural resources. It is making extraordinary technological progress. It will soon be a BRIIICS member.
And so will Indonesia, which has the world’s fourth largest population, a fast developing economy (around 7% per year) and, again, huge natural resources.
Already, the present BRICS have 40% of the world’s population, 30% of its land mass, and 25% of its GDP with the latter being a sharply rising figure. Other countries, like Venezuela, Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan and Malaysia, are certain to join in.
Much more important, however, is the BRICS decision to set up a new development bank for long-term infrastructure. This is intended to rival, indeed, outclass, the Western-backed institutions. The underlying rationale is simple: the BRICS are determined to challenge Western political and economic dominance and, in particular, to break the dominance of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, which have not served the development needs of poor countries and have generally served only to put them into ever-increasing, un-repayable debt.
All of which is excellent news. The West has exploited emerging and poor countries and everywhere has been financially and militarily aggressive. Put simply, other countries are fed-up with the West: they have had enough.
The new bank, however, has more purposes than just being a development bank. American aggression, for example, is ultimately dependent upon the US dollar being the world’s reserve and main trading currency. The BRICS are going to end that by establishing a new reserve and trading currency.
Indeed, the situation can be put even more clearly. The West has long exploited and oppressed everybody that it could but now the boot, in the traditional metaphor, is on the other foot. Political power is shifting away from the West; economic power is shifting away from the West and its moral authority has almost completely disappeared (torture, assassinations, the creeping genocide of the Palestinians and the deliberate furtherance of a vicious sectarianism have seen to that).
Significantly, the BRICS are objecting to sanctions and war threats against Iran and are strongly opposed to Zionist Israel. It will not be long they declare that Israel is a pariah state.
Perhaps the most significant outcome of the BRICS summit is the proposed creation of an optic fibre cable linking all five states (with relatively easy extensions to Iran and Indonesia). Indeed, it could be that the BRICS are constructing an independent global optic fibre internet system or at least an extensive one over which they will have complete control. The BRICS are intensely aware that the USA, denying the evidence of its own sixteen intelligence agencies, is pursuing a Zionist agenda against Iran which includes excluding Iran from the SWIFT international banking system and other banking transactions. The new cable should put an end to that.
The BRICS are raising the flag of independence and are telling the West that its abuse of others has gone so far that the others are going to make their own way in life. And that will really matter because more and more Non-Aligned Movement nations will be joining the BRICS in various ways which will particularly include regional, economic, financial, military and technological agreements. An example is that China and Brazil have signed a currency swap deal under which they will be using their own currencies for half of their mutual trade i.e., the US dollar will not be involved. For a while the US dollar can be expected to remain the main trading currency - until suddenly it isn’t.
Furthermore, Africa, for example, long exploited solely for its minerals and resources with no concern for the lives of the inhabitants, is simply going to turn to those who can provide the one big thing that Africa needs - industrialisation.
The importance of the BRICS summit cannot be overestimated partly because it represents new countries beginning to take power and partly because it heralds a new world coming into being.
However, a new world is not necessarily a better world and the BRICS, becoming the BRIIICS and much more, must be careful not to incorporate, without realising, assumptions and practices stemming from corrupt old Western institutions, thinking and practices. Chief of these is thinking that it does not matter if there is huge rich-poor division. This is at the heart of corrupt Western ‘trickle-down’ economics and is a complete breach of fundamental market principle, which says that producers and consumers must be the same people i.e., real productive (and therefore consuming) power must be spread to everyone in society.
Another corrupt assumption is that interest is necessary for the spreading of real productive capacity. Interest is not necessary: it is an unnecessary tax imposed by the global financial elite merely for its own benefit. The BRIIICS must ensure that the commercial banks are controlled so that they can only lend their own money (which they can then waste, if they want to, or charge interest on it). But the main money supply, for the spreading of the real economy, must stem, interest-free, from the national bank (although it may be administered by the commercial banks making only a fair administration charge).
Jalal (making a comment on the Press TV website) writes: “This is the best thing that could happen to the world. A new power that will not let the ex-colonials have the big cake to themselves as usual. This could also be the right path to finally new world order that will contribute to free human being and lead mankind towards a more balanced and harmonious world.”
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