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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Lets look at a explanation of Peter's verse by Amazing Facts.... "Spirits In Prison Please explain 1 Peter 3:18-20 where it speaks of Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." - 1 Peter 3:18-20 There has been considerable misunderstanding of these verses of Scripture. It has been preached that Christ actually descended into the lower regions of the earth and preached to lost souls who were in prison in some type of purgatory or limbo. This is very far from what the text actually says. Let's look at it closely now and get the real message of these verses. It says, "Christ also hath once suffered for sins ... that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went and preached ..." First of all, notice how Christ preached to those spirits in prison. He did it by the Spirit, and that word is capitalized in your Bible. It actually refers to the Holy Spirit. So whatsoever Christ did in preaching during this period of time, He did it through or by the Holy Spirit. With that in view, let's ask this: "When was the preaching done?" The answer is plainly given in verse 20: "when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing." So the preaching was actually done while the ark was being built -- during the preaching of Noah to that antediluvian world. Now, one more question: "To whom was the preaching done?" The text says here "unto the spirits in prison." Throughout the Bible we find this terminology used in describing those who are bound in the prison house of sin. David prayed, "Bring my soul out of prison, ..." (Psalm 142:7). Paul spoke of his experience in these words, "bringing me into captivity to the law of sin." What Peter is telling us here is simply that Christ, through the Holy Spirit, was present while Noah preached; Christ was there through the Holy Spirit to speak conviction to their hearts and appeal to them to come into the ark. There is absolutely nothing in this text to indicate that Jesus left His body during the time He was dead to go to any subterranean place to minister to wicked spirits. The three questions are clearly answered in the text itself: (1) that He preached by the Holy Spirit, (2) He did it while the ark was preparing, and (3) He did it to the spirits in prison, or to those individuals whose sinful lives were bound in the prison house of sin." http://www.helltruth.com/q-a/spirits-in-prison.aspxBut I think they are missing the point, I think the question here is really is it about "lost souls" or "fallen angels". If it is about "lost souls" then it goes against all the many verses in scripture that clearly show that the dead know nothing and scripture does not present the human soul (nepeš) or spirit (rûah) as immortal before the resurrection. Now if they are "fallen angels", then there is no conflict with what scripture gives us on the state of the dead.
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Lets look at a explanation of Peters verse by Amazing Facts.... "Spirits In Prison Please explain 1 Peter 3:18-20 where it speaks of Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." - 1 Peter 3:18-20 There has been considerable misunderstanding of these verses of Scripture. It has been preached that Christ actually descended into the lower regions of the earth and preached to lost souls who were in prison in some type of purgatory or limbo. This is very far from what the text actually says. Let's look at it closely now and get the real message of these verses. It says, "Christ also hath once suffered for sins ... that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went and preached ..." First of all, notice how Christ preached to those spirits in prison. He did it by the Spirit, and that word is capitalized in your Bible. It actually refers to the Holy Spirit. So whatsoever Christ did in preaching during this period of time, He did it through or by the Holy Spirit. With that in view, let's ask this: "When was the preaching done?" The answer is plainly given in verse 20: "when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing." So the preaching was actually done while the ark was being built -- during the preaching of Noah to that antediluvian world. Now, one more question: "To whom was the preaching done?" The text says here "unto the spirits in prison." Throughout the Bible we find this terminology used in describing those who are bound in the prison house of sin. David prayed, "Bring my soul out of prison, ..." (Psalm 142:7). Paul spoke of his experience in these words, "bringing me into captivity to the law of sin." What Peter is telling us here is simply that Christ, through the Holy Spirit, was present while Noah preached; Christ was there through the Holy Spirit to speak conviction to their hearts and appeal to them to come into the ark. There is absolutely nothing in this text to indicate that Jesus left His body during the time He was dead to go to any subterranean place to minister to wicked spirits. The three questions are clearly answered in the text itself: (1) that He preached by the Holy Spirit, (2) He did it while the ark was preparing, and (3) He did it to the spirits in prison, or to those individuals whose sinful lives were bound in the prison house of sin." http://www.helltruth.com/q-a/spirits-in-prison.aspx They said it well. That was the view that I was trying to give, though perhaps my manner of presentation made it more difficult to understand. I did use more supporting texts, though. I like to use the Bible to interpret itself as much as possible when a difficult question like this comes up. Their points were the same points I was trying to make though. And they are spot on. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Lets look at a explanation of Peters verse by Amazing Facts.... "Spirits In Prison Please explain 1 Peter 3:18-20 where it speaks of Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." - 1 Peter 3:18-20 There has been considerable misunderstanding of these verses of Scripture. It has been preached that Christ actually descended into the lower regions of the earth and preached to lost souls who were in prison in some type of purgatory or limbo. This is very far from what the text actually says. Let's look at it closely now and get the real message of these verses. It says, "Christ also hath once suffered for sins ... that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went and preached ..." First of all, notice how Christ preached to those spirits in prison. He did it by the Spirit, and that word is capitalized in your Bible. It actually refers to the Holy Spirit. So whatsoever Christ did in preaching during this period of time, He did it through or by the Holy Spirit. With that in view, let's ask this: "When was the preaching done?" The answer is plainly given in verse 20: "when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing." So the preaching was actually done while the ark was being built -- during the preaching of Noah to that antediluvian world. Now, one more question: "To whom was the preaching done?" The text says here "unto the spirits in prison." Throughout the Bible we find this terminology used in describing those who are bound in the prison house of sin. David prayed, "Bring my soul out of prison, ..." (Psalm 142:7). Paul spoke of his experience in these words, "bringing me into captivity to the law of sin." What Peter is telling us here is simply that Christ, through the Holy Spirit, was present while Noah preached; Christ was there through the Holy Spirit to speak conviction to their hearts and appeal to them to come into the ark. There is absolutely nothing in this text to indicate that Jesus left His body during the time He was dead to go to any subterranean place to minister to wicked spirits. The three questions are clearly answered in the text itself: (1) that He preached by the Holy Spirit, (2) He did it while the ark was preparing, and (3) He did it to the spirits in prison, or to those individuals whose sinful lives were bound in the prison house of sin." http://www.helltruth.com/q-a/spirits-in-prison.aspx They said it well. That was the view that I was trying to give, though perhaps my manner of presentation made it more difficult to understand. I did use more supporting texts, though. I like to use the Bible to interpret itself as much as possible when a difficult question like this comes up. Their points were the same points I was trying to make though. And they are spot on. Blessings, Green Cochoa. But here is the problem, these are not "lost souls" of human beings. The Greek word used in the verse is 'pneumasin' [Strong's Greek 4151] which is used in the New Testament to refer to angels (Hebrews 1:14), demons (Mark 1:23), the spirit of Jesus (Matthew 27:50), and the Holy Spirit (John 14:17). While the Bible makes it clear that human beings have the 'breath (of God)' His spirit or 'psuche' [Strong's Greek 5590] the Bible never refers to human beings as “spirits” or 'pneumasin'. We have a 'breath (of God)' or 'psuche' which makes us a living soul, but we are not spirits. God the Father, the Holy Spirit, angels, and demons do not have a spirit; they are spirits. So the standard meaning of the word spirits in the phrase “spirits in prison” shows that the spirits being something other than human beings. If the spirits in prison are not the spirits of deceased human beings, and we know that the Holy Spirit is not imprisoned, and that God’s holy angels are not imprisoned, that leaves us with one option—the spirits in prison are demons, fallen angels. So if you look at where the word 'pneumasin' is used in the scriptures and compare, 1 Peter 3:19 declares, “. . . He went and preached to the spirits in prison…” Who were these “spirits in prison,” it has in the the Greek 'tois en phulake pneumasin', or "the in prison spirits", they are 'pneumasin'. Lets look at the other use of pneumasin': Luke 4:36 They were all amazed and began to say to one another, “What’s happening here? For with authority and power he commands the unclean spirits (pneumasin), and they come out!” 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits (pneumasin) and doctrines of devils So now you see what spirits (pneumasin) Peter is talking about, it refers to 'pneumasin', which are evil spirits (fallen angels).
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Lets look at a explanation of Peters verse by Amazing Facts.... "Spirits In Prison Please explain 1 Peter 3:18-20 where it speaks of Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." - 1 Peter 3:18-20 There has been considerable misunderstanding of these verses of Scripture. It has been preached that Christ actually descended into the lower regions of the earth and preached to lost souls who were in prison in some type of purgatory or limbo. This is very far from what the text actually says. Let's look at it closely now and get the real message of these verses. It says, "Christ also hath once suffered for sins ... that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went and preached ..." First of all, notice how Christ preached to those spirits in prison. He did it by the Spirit, and that word is capitalized in your Bible. It actually refers to the Holy Spirit. So whatsoever Christ did in preaching during this period of time, He did it through or by the Holy Spirit. With that in view, let's ask this: "When was the preaching done?" The answer is plainly given in verse 20: "when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing." So the preaching was actually done while the ark was being built -- during the preaching of Noah to that antediluvian world. Now, one more question: "To whom was the preaching done?" The text says here "unto the spirits in prison." Throughout the Bible we find this terminology used in describing those who are bound in the prison house of sin. David prayed, "Bring my soul out of prison, ..." (Psalm 142:7). Paul spoke of his experience in these words, "bringing me into captivity to the law of sin." What Peter is telling us here is simply that Christ, through the Holy Spirit, was present while Noah preached; Christ was there through the Holy Spirit to speak conviction to their hearts and appeal to them to come into the ark. There is absolutely nothing in this text to indicate that Jesus left His body during the time He was dead to go to any subterranean place to minister to wicked spirits. The three questions are clearly answered in the text itself: (1) that He preached by the Holy Spirit, (2) He did it while the ark was preparing, and (3) He did it to the spirits in prison, or to those individuals whose sinful lives were bound in the prison house of sin." http://www.helltruth.com/q-a/spirits-in-prison.aspxBut I think they are missing the point, I think the question here is really is it about "lost souls" or "fallen angels". If it is about "lost souls" then it goes against all the many verses in scripture that clearly show that the dead know nothing and scripture does not present the human soul (nepeš) or spirit (rûah) as immortal before the resurrection. Now if they are "fallen angels", then there is no conflict with what scripture gives us on the state of the dead. This study is a distortion of what the Bible actually says without looking at other key texts that would contradict this interpretation. Here's their 3 points with my comments in [ brackets]: (1) that He preached by the Holy Spirit [ The text does not say that at all, but rather that Jesus was quickened by the Spirit -- meaning resurrected.] (2) He did it while the ark was preparing [ Again not saying that at all. The text is referring to the spirits that were in prison(specified angels kept in Tartarus in 2 Pet 2:4) that were disobedient in the time of Noah. ] (3) He did it to the spirits in prison, or to those individuals whose sinful lives were bound in the prison house of sin [ Well I just read Rick's post above and I agree with his word study. The spirits in prison is clearly specified in 2Pet 2:4 to be the fallen angels. There's many other texts to support that also. ] Good word study Rick!
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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But here is the problem, these are not "lost souls" of human beings. The Greek word used in the verse is 'pneumasin' [Strong's Greek 4151] which is used in the New Testament to refer to angels (Hebrews 1:14), demons (Mark 1:23), the spirit of Jesus (Matthew 27:50), and the Holy Spirit (John 14:17). While the Bible makes it clear that human beings have the 'breath (of God)' His spirit or 'psuche' [Strong's Greek 5590] the Bible never refers to human beings as “spirits” or 'pneumasin'. We have a 'breath (of God)' or 'psuche' which makes us a living soul, but we are not spirits. God the Father, the Holy Spirit, angels, and demons do not have a spirit; they are spirits. So the standard meaning of the word spirits in the phrase “spirits in prison” shows that the spirits being something other than human beings.
If the spirits in prison are not the spirits of deceased human beings, and we know that the Holy Spirit is not imprisoned, and that God’s holy angels are not imprisoned, that leaves us with one option—the spirits in prison are demons, fallen angels.
So if you look at where the word 'pneumasin' is used in the scriptures and compare, 1 Peter 3:19 declares, “. . . He went and preached to the spirits in prison…” Who were these “spirits in prison,” it has in the the Greek 'tois en phulake pneumasin', or "the in prison spirits", they are 'pneumasin'. Lets look at the other use of pneumasin':
Luke 4:36
They were all amazed and began to say to one another, “What’s happening here? For with authority and power he commands the unclean spirits (pneumasin), and they come out!”
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits (pneumasin) and doctrines of devils
So now you see what spirits (pneumasin) Peter is talking about, it refers to 'pneumasin', which are evil spirits (fallen angels).
Rick, Yes they are the "lost souls" (if we presume to know the future of those souls and can be definitive that they are indeed "lost"). At least we can be definitive that the word applies to the human spirit as well as to a divine spirit. The following verses use the exact same Greek word as the one which Peter used. These are but a sampling, and I am choosing the ones which emphasize the usage which I believe Peter has given to the word. Mt 5:3 Blessed [are] the poor in spirit 4151: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit 4151 indeed [is] willing, but the flesh [is] weak.
Mk 2:8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit 4151 that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
Mk 8:12 And he sighed deeply in his spirit 4151, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
Mk 14:38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit 4151 truly [is] ready, but the flesh [is] weak.
Lk 1:47 And my spirit 4151 hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
Lk 8:55 And her spirit 4151 came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.
Lk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit 4151 ye are of.
Jn 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost 4151.
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits 4151 in prison;
The word is used as "soul" in these verses, and it is the same word which Peter uses in speaking of preaching to these "souls" in bondage to sin. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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But here is the problem, these are not "lost souls" of human beings. The Greek word used in the verse is 'pneumasin' [Strong's Greek 4151] which is used in the New Testament to refer to angels (Hebrews 1:14), demons (Mark 1:23), the spirit of Jesus (Matthew 27:50), and the Holy Spirit (John 14:17). While the Bible makes it clear that human beings have the 'breath (of God)' His spirit or 'psuche' [Strong's Greek 5590] the Bible never refers to human beings as “spirits” or 'pneumasin'. We have a 'breath (of God)' or 'psuche' which makes us a living soul, but we are not spirits. God the Father, the Holy Spirit, angels, and demons do not have a spirit; they are spirits. So the standard meaning of the word spirits in the phrase “spirits in prison” shows that the spirits being something other than human beings.
If the spirits in prison are not the spirits of deceased human beings, and we know that the Holy Spirit is not imprisoned, and that God’s holy angels are not imprisoned, that leaves us with one option—the spirits in prison are demons, fallen angels.
So if you look at where the word 'pneumasin' is used in the scriptures and compare, 1 Peter 3:19 declares, “. . . He went and preached to the spirits in prison…” Who were these “spirits in prison,” it has in the the Greek 'tois en phulake pneumasin', or "the in prison spirits", they are 'pneumasin'. Lets look at the other use of pneumasin':
Luke 4:36
They were all amazed and began to say to one another, “What’s happening here? For with authority and power he commands the unclean spirits (pneumasin), and they come out!”
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits (pneumasin) and doctrines of devils
So now you see what spirits (pneumasin) Peter is talking about, it refers to 'pneumasin', which are evil spirits (fallen angels).
Rick, Yes they are the "lost souls" (if we presume to know the future of those souls and can be definitive that they are indeed "lost"). At least we can be definitive that the word applies to the human spirit as well as to a divine spirit. The following verses use the exact same Greek word as the one which Peter used. These are but a sampling, and I am choosing the ones which emphasize the usage which I believe Peter has given to the word. Mt 5:3 Blessed [are] the poor in spirit 4151: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit 4151 indeed [is] willing, but the flesh [is] weak.
Mk 2:8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit 4151 that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
Mk 8:12 And he sighed deeply in his spirit 4151, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
Mk 14:38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit 4151 truly [is] ready, but the flesh [is] weak.
Lk 1:47 And my spirit 4151 hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
Lk 8:55 And her spirit 4151 came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.
Lk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit 4151 ye are of.
Jn 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost 4151.
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits 4151 in prison;
The word is used as "soul" in these verses, and it is the same word which Peter uses in speaking of preaching to these "souls" in bondage to sin. Blessings, Green Cochoa. I noticed that in the 4151 in Strongs and the difference and I will have to check, was 'spirit' versus 'spirits' if I remember. You are making me study hard GC, and Greek and Hebrew at that..... Now here is the word "Deep", Hebrew 'tehom', Greek 'abussos', which is very interesting...... DEEP (tehom; abussos, Luke 8:31 the King James Version; Romans 10:7 the King James Version; bathos, Luke 5:4; buthos, 2 Corinthians 11:25): The Hebrew word ("water in commotion") is used (1) of the primeval watery waste (Genesis 1:2), where some suggest a connection with Babylonian Tiamat in the creation-epic; (2) of the sea (Isaiah 51:10 and commonly); (3) of the subterranean reservoir of water (Genesis 7:11; Genesis 8:2; Genesis 49:25 Deuteronomy 33:13 Ezekiel 31:4, etc.). In the Revised Version (British and American) the Greek word first noted is rendered, literally, "abyss." See ABYSS; also ASTRONOMY, sec. III, 7.
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Pastor Bachelor is right on here.
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Ok, we see here the Hebrew 'ruach'; the Greek 'pneuma'; and the Latin, 'spiritus'. As you can see it is the singular form and the usage (and correct me if I am wrong) for the verses you were refering to would be (3)Spiritual Manifestations 3. Human and Divine Spirit.
SPIRIT
spir'-it (ruach; pneuma; Latin, spiritus):
1. Primary and Figurative Senses
(1) As Wind, Breath
(2) As Anger or Fury
(3) As Mental and Moral Qualities in Man
2. Shades of Meaning
(1) As Life-Principle
(2) As Surviving Death
(3) Spiritual Manifestations
3. Human and Divine Spirit
(1) The Human as Related with the Divine
(2) Operations of the Divine Spirit as Third Person of the Trinity
4. Old Testament Applications
5. Various Interpretations
1. Primary and Figurative Senses:
(1) As Wind, Breath:
Used primarily in the Old Testament and New Testament of the wind, as in Genesis 8:1 Numbers 11:31 Amos 4:13 ("createth the wind"); Hebrews 1:7 (angels, "spirits" or "winds" in margin); often used of the breath, as in Job 12:10; Job 15:30, and in 2 Thessalonians 2:8 (wicked consumed by "the breath of his mouth").
(2) As Anger or Fury:
In a figurative sense it was used as indicating anger or fury, and as such applied even to God, who destroys by the "breath of his nostrils" (Job 4:9 Exodus 15:8 2 Samuel 22:16; see 2 Thessalonians 2:8).
(3) As Mental and Moral Qualities in Man:
Hence, applied to man-as being the seat of emotion in desire or trouble, and thus gradually of mental and moral qualities in general (Exodus 28:3, "the spirit of wisdom"; Ezekiel 11:19, "a new spirit" etc.). Where man is deeply stirred by the Divine Spirit, as among the prophets, we have a somewhat similar use of the word, in such expressions as: "The Spirit of the Lord came.... upon him" (1 Samuel 10:10).
2. Shades of Meaning:
(1) As Life-Principle:
The spirit as life-principle in man has various applications: sometimes to denote an apparition (Matthew 14:26, the King James Version "saying, It is a spirit"; Luke 24:37, the King James Version "had seen a spirit"); sometimes to denote angels, both fallen and unfallen (Hebrews 1:14, "ministering spirits"; Matthew 10:1, "unclean spirits"; compare also Matthew 12:43 Mark 1:23, 26, 27; and in Revelation 1:4, "the seven Spirits.... before his throne").
(2) As Surviving Death:
The spirit is thus in man the principle of life-but of man as distinguished from the brute-so that in death this spirit is yielded to the Lord (Luke 23:46 Acts 7:59 1 Corinthians 5:5, "that the spirit may be saved"). Hence, God is called the "Father of spirits" (Hebrews 12:9).
(3) Spiritual Manifestations:
Thus generally for all the manifestations of the spiritual part in man, as that which thinks, feels, wills; and also to denote certain qualities which characterize the man, e.g. "poor in spirit" (Matthew 5:3); "spirit of gentleness" (Galatians 6:1); "of bondage" (Romans 8:15); "of jealousy" (Numbers 5:14); "of fear" (2 Timothy 1:7 the King James Version); "of slumber" (Romans 11:8 the King James Version). Hence, we are called upon to "rule over our own spirit" (Proverbs 16:32; Proverbs 25:28), and are warned against being overmastered by a wrong spirit (Luke 9:55 the King James Version, "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of"). So man may submit to the "spirit of error," and turn away from the "spirit of truth" (1 John 4:6). Thus we read of the "spirit of counsel" (Isaiah 11:2); "of wisdom" (Ephesians 1:17).
3. Human and Divine Spirit:
(1) The Human as Related with the Divine:
We go a step higher when we find the human spirit brought into relationship with the Divine Spirit. For man is but a creature to whom life has been imparted by God's spirit-life being but a resultant of God's breath. Thus life and death are realistically described as an imparting or a withdrawing of God's breath, as in Job 27:3; Job 33:4; Job 34:14, "spirit and breath" going together. The spirit may thus be "revived" (Genesis 45:27), or "overwhelmed" (Psalm 143:4), or "broken" (Proverbs 15:13). And where sin has been keenly felt, it is "a broken spirit" which is "a sacrifice to God" (Psalm 51:17); and when man submits to the power of sin, a new direction is given to his mind: he comes under a "spirit of whoredom" (Hosea 4:12); he becomes "proud in spirit" (Ecclesiastes 7:8), instead of being "patient in spirit"; he is a fool because he is "hasty in spirit" and gives way to "anger" (Ecclesiastes 7:9). The "faithful in spirit" are the men who resist talebearing and backbiting in the world (Proverbs 11:13). In such instances as these the difference between "soul" and "spirit" appears.
(Hebrews ruah; Gr. pneuma), properly wind or breath. In 2 Thessalonians 2:8 it means "breath," and in Ecclesiastes 8:8 the vital principle in man. It also denotes the rational, immortal soul by which man is distinguished (Acts 7:59; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 6:20; 7:34), and the soul in its separate state (Hebrews 12:23), and hence also an apparition (Job 4:15; Luke 24:37, 39), an angel (Hebrews 1:14), and a demon (Luke 4:36; 10:20). This word is used also metaphorically as denoting a tendency (Zechariah 12:10; Luke 13:11).
In Romans 1:4, 1 Timothy 3:16, 2 Corinthians 3:17, 1 Peter 3:18, it designates the divine nature.
4151. pneuma -- wind, spirit
... wind, spirit. Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter Transliteration: pneuma Phonetic Spelling:
(pnyoo'-mah) Short Definition: wind, breath, spirit Definition: wind ...
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1140. daimonion -- an evil spirit, a demon
... an evil spirit, a demon. Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter Transliteration: daimonion
Phonetic Spelling: (dahee-mon'-ee-on) Short Definition: an evil-spirit, demon ...
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4875. sunanapauomai -- to lie down to rest with, fig. to be ...
... to be refreshed in spirit with. Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: sunanapauomai
Phonetic Spelling: (soon-an-ap-ow'-om-ahee) Short Definition: I rest along ...
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5011. tapeinos -- low-lying, fig. lowly, hence lowly in spirit
... lowly, hence lowly in spirit. Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: tapeinos
Phonetic Spelling: (tap-i-nos') Short Definition: humble, lowly Definition ...
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5326. phantasma -- an appearance, apparition
... Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter Transliteration: phantasma Phonetic Spelling:
(fan'-tas-mah) Short Definition: an apparition, ghost, spirit Definition: an ... spirit. ...
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2473. isopsuchos -- like-minded
... Adjective Transliteration: isopsuchos Phonetic Spelling: (ee-sop'-soo-khos) Short
Definition: like-minded Definition: like-minded, of the same mind or spirit. ...
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1142. daimon -- a demon
... a demon. Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: daimon Phonetic Spelling:
(dah'-ee-mown) Short Definition: an evil-spirit, demon Definition: an evil ...
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4102. pistis -- faith, faithfulness
... Gal 5:22,23: " 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,. ... "Faith . . .
both in its initiation and every step of the way, is Spirit given . . . ...
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2204. zeo -- to boil, be hot
... to boil, be hot. Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: zeo Phonetic Spelling:
(dzeh'-o) Short Definition: I burn in spirit Definition: (lit: I boil, am boiling ...
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1637. elaion -- olive oil
... Cognate: 1637 -- olive (from 1636 , "olive tree"); (figuratively) the indwelling
(empowering) of the Holy Spirit. While true believers ...
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7307. ruach -- breath, wind, spirit
... << 7306, 7307. ruach. 7308 >>. breath, wind, spirit. Transliteration: ruach
Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh) Short Definition: spirit. Word ...
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7308. ruach -- wind, spirit
... << 7307, 7308. ruach. 7309 >>. wind, spirit. Transliteration: ruach Phonetic
Spelling: (roo'-akh) Short Definition: spirit. Word Origin ...
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3049. yiddeoni -- familiar spirit
... << 3048, 3049. yiddeoni. 3050 >>. familiar spirit. Transliteration: yiddeoni Phonetic
Spelling: (yid-deh-o-nee') Short Definition: spiritists. ...
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5397. neshamah -- breath
... Word Origin from nasham Definition breath NASB Word Usage blast (2), breath (15),
breathes (1), life (1), persons alive (1), spirit (2), who breathed (3). ...
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178. ob -- a bottle (made from animal skin), a necromancer
... from an unused word Definition a bottle (made from animal skin), a necromancer NASB
Word Usage medium (2), medium* (3), mediums (9), spirit (1), wineskins (1). ...
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4578. meeh -- internal organs, inward parts, belly
... Word Usage abdomen (1), body (4), bowels (4), children* (1), feelings (1), heart
(4), inward parts (1), offspring* (1), own (1), soul (2), spirit (2), stomach ...
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7115. qotser -- shortness
... anguish. From qatsar; shortness (of spirit), ie Impatience -- anguish. see HEBREW
qatsar. << 7114b, 7115. qotser. 7116 >>. Strong's Numbers.
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8105. shemer -- lees, dregs
... Word Origin from an unused word Definition lees, dregs NASB Word Usage aged
wine (2), dregs (2), spirit (1). dregs, wines on the lees. ...
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Spirit
A word employed in various senses in Scripture.
1. For THE HOLY, HOLINESS SPIRIT, the third person of the Holy Trinity, who inspired the prophets, animates good men, pours his unction into our hearts, imparts to us life and comfort; and in whose name we are baptized and blessed, as well as in that of the Father and the Son. When the adjective Holy is applied to the term Spirit, we should always understand it as here explained; but there are many places whether it must be taken in this sense, although the term Holy is omitted. See HOLY, HOLINESS SPIRIT.
2.BREATH, respiration; or the principle of animal life, common to men and animal: this God has given, and this he recalls when he takes away life, Ecclesiastes 3:21. See SOUL.
3. The RATIONAL SOUL which animates us, and preserves its being after the death of the body. That spiritual, reasoning, and choosing substance, which is capable of eternal happiness. See SOUL.
4. An ANGEL, good or bad; a soul separate from the body, Mark 14:26. It is said, Acts 23:8, that the Sadducees denied the existence of angels and spirits. Christ, appearing to his disciples, said to them, Luke 24:39, "Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
5. The DISPOSITION of the mind or intellect. Thus we read of a spirit of jealously, a spirit of fornication, a spirit of prayer, a spirit of infirmity, a spirit of wisdom and understanding, a spirit of fear of the Lord, Hosea 4:12 Zechariah 12:10 Luke 13:11 Isaiah 11:2.
6. The RENEWED NATURE of true believers, which is produced by the Holy Spirit, and conforms the soul to his likeness. Spirit is thus the opposite of flesh, John 3:6. This spirit is virally united with, an in some passages can hardly be distinguished from the "Spirit of Christ," which animates true Christians, the children of God, and distinguishes them from the children of darkness, who are animated by the spirit of the world, Romans 8:1-16. This indwelling Spirit is the gift of grace, of adoption-the Holy Spirit poured into our hearts-which emboldens us to call God "Abba, my Father." Those who are influenced by this Spirit "have crucified the flesh, with its affections and lusts," Galatians 5:16-25.
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Now the place of where these fallen angels are held for judgement, no sermon or lesson in church so far has, in my opinion, given a clear and concise understanding.
ABYSS
a-bis', (he abussos): In classical Greek the word is always an adjective, and is used
(1) literally, "very deep," "bottomless";
(2) figuratively, "unfathomable," "boundless." "Abyss" does not occur in the King James Version but the Revised Version (British and American) so transliterates abussos in each case. The the King James Version renders the Greek by "the deep" in two passages (Luke 8:31 Romans 10:7). In Revelation the King James Version renders by "the bottomless pit" (Revelation 9:1, 2, 11; Revelation 11:7; Revelation 17:8; 20:1, 3). In the Septuagint abussos is the rendering of the Hebrew word tehom. According to primitive Semitic cosmogony the earth was supposed to rest on a vast body of water which was the source of all springs of water and rivers (Genesis 1:2 Deuteronomy 8:7 Psalm 24:2; Psalm 136:6). This subterranean ocean is sometimes described as "the water under the earth" (Exodus 20:4 Deuteronomy 5:8). According to Job 41:32 tehom is the home of the leviathan in which he plows his hoary path of foam. The Septuagint never uses abussos as a rendering of sheol (= Sheol = Hades) and probably tehom never meant the "abode of the dead" which was the ordinary meaning of Sheol. In Psalm 71:20 tehom is used figuratively, and denotes "many and sore troubles" through which the psalmist has passed (compare Jonah 2:5). But in the New Testament the word abussos means the "abode of demons." In Luke 8:31 the King James Version renders "into the deep" (Weymouth and The Twentieth Century New Testament = "into the bottomless pit"). The demons do not wish to be sent to their place of punishment before their destined time. Mark simply says "out of the country" (Luke 5:10). In Romans 10:7 the word is equivalent to Hades, the abode of the dead. In Revelation (where the King James Version renders invariably "the bottomless pit") abussos denotes the abode of evil spirits, but not the place of final punishment; it is therefore to be distinguished from the "lake of fire and brimstone" where the beast and the false prophet are, and into which the Devil is to be finally cast (Revelation 19:20; Revelation 20:10).
Thus my study....and I am also going over this with my close brothers and sisters at church, as I dont want to go into any private interpretation or lock into a unbiblical view.
Now, I have no ax to grind either way, as if they are fallen angels being held in restraint or 'lost souls', the lesson is the same. Obey and follow God.
However, one supports Adventist doctrine, the other does not. Think about it.
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