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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Ellen White never warned us against any Bible version, but she made it clear that we are not to interpret the Bible using the methods of the Image of the Beast, which is gaining a wide influence within the Seventh-day Adventist Church in recent years.
A great portion of conservative Adventists have abandoned using the way Ellen White said we should interpret Scripture, thereby following the methods of the fallen protestant churches around us.
How serious is that in comparison?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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03/01/13 10:02 PM
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Ellen White never warned us against any Bible version, but she made it clear that we are not to interpret the Bible using the methods of the Image of the Beast, which is gaining a wide influence within the Seventh-day Adventist Church in recent years.
A great portion of conservative Adventists have abandoned using the way Ellen White said we should interpret Scripture, thereby following the methods of the fallen protestant churches around us.
How serious is that in comparison? Johann, Ellen White would have been opposed to the way you use the Bible. You have such a radical agenda here that every topic is the same. We could be talking about diabetes and you'd find some way of linking it to women's ordination. I usually try to stick to the topic, but I find it distracting to see every topic on this forum morph into a discussion of women's ordination, and frankly, I don't think it speaks well of your balance in using and interpreting scripture. If one of these Bible versions said that women should be ordained, you would be promoting it regardless of whatever else it might contain. Sometimes the truth needs to be said. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Ellen White never warned us against any Bible version, but she made it clear that we are not to interpret the Bible using the methods of the Image of the Beast, which is gaining a wide influence within the Seventh-day Adventist Church in recent years.
A great portion of conservative Adventists have abandoned using the way Ellen White said we should interpret Scripture, thereby following the methods of the fallen protestant churches around us.
How serious is that in comparison? Johann, Ellen White would have been opposed to the way you use the Bible. You have such a radical agenda here that every topic is the same. We could be talking about diabetes and you'd find some way of linking it to women's ordination. I usually try to stick to the topic, but I find it distracting to see every topic on this forum morph into a discussion of women's ordination, and frankly, I don't think it speaks well of your balance in using and interpreting scripture. If one of these Bible versions said that women should be ordained, you would be promoting it regardless of whatever else it might contain. Sometimes the truth needs to be said. Blessings, Green Cochoa. How far did you have to dig into what I said in this passage to find what you were looking for? And when you did not find it you pretended it was there and replied accordingly. Is that the way to handle such a discussion? Your balanced view? What I wrote in that post is in harmony with what is worrying some of the serious Bible teachers at our schools. This is very serious, and should not be dealt with lightly.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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03/05/13 11:50 AM
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Ellen White never warned us against any Bible version, but she made it clear that we are not to interpret the Bible using the methods of the Image of the Beast, which is gaining a wide influence within the Seventh-day Adventist Church in recent years.
A great portion of conservative Adventists have abandoned using the way Ellen White said we should interpret Scripture, thereby following the methods of the fallen protestant churches around us.
How serious is that in comparison? Johann, Ellen White would have been opposed to the way you use the Bible. You have such a radical agenda here that every topic is the same. We could be talking about diabetes and you'd find some way of linking it to women's ordination. I usually try to stick to the topic, but I find it distracting to see every topic on this forum morph into a discussion of women's ordination, and frankly, I don't think it speaks well of your balance in using and interpreting scripture. If one of these Bible versions said that women should be ordained, you would be promoting it regardless of whatever else it might contain. Sometimes the truth needs to be said. Blessings, Green Cochoa. How far did you have to dig into what I said in this passage to find what you were looking for? And when you did not find it you pretended it was there and replied accordingly. Is that the way to handle such a discussion? Your balanced view? What I wrote in that post is in harmony with what is worrying some of the serious Bible teachers at our schools. This is very serious, and should not be dealt with lightly. But you have to take into account that new Christians dont always know what they are looking for, and the NIV and the other corrupted versions can lead them astray or into confusion as we see even in Advenstist circles on the nature of the GodHead.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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So yes, all three would be good versions. An excellent demonstration to show a good reason to read more than one version. This is very true because so often it is impossible to translate the original text fully. This is where it takes several translations to get the full meaning of the text. That is the line of thought is what gets us into trouble, the true text does not vary, so the less translations the better. Thats why the Jews would not change even one word or the meaning could be shifted or taken out according to the purpose of the writer. neither did they have to translate, but how many people in the world would understand their language? That is why translation in essential.
What do you see here......
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.2This one was in [the] beginning with God.3All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
Are you indicating people are reading the translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses? Even then there are sections of their translation which is better than the KJV - just not this part.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Ellen White never warned us against any Bible version, but she made it clear that we are not to interpret the Bible using the methods of the Image of the Beast, which is gaining a wide influence within the Seventh-day Adventist Church in recent years.
A great portion of conservative Adventists have abandoned using the way Ellen White said we should interpret Scripture, thereby following the methods of the fallen protestant churches around us.
How serious is that in comparison? Johann, Ellen White would have been opposed to the way you use the Bible. You have such a radical agenda here that every topic is the same. We could be talking about diabetes and you'd find some way of linking it to women's ordination. I usually try to stick to the topic, but I find it distracting to see every topic on this forum morph into a discussion of women's ordination, and frankly, I don't think it speaks well of your balance in using and interpreting scripture. If one of these Bible versions said that women should be ordained, you would be promoting it regardless of whatever else it might contain. Sometimes the truth needs to be said. Blessings, Green Cochoa. How far did you have to dig into what I said in this passage to find what you were looking for? And when you did not find it you pretended it was there and replied accordingly. Is that the way to handle such a discussion? Your balanced view? What I wrote in that post is in harmony with what is worrying some of the serious Bible teachers at our schools. This is very serious, and should not be dealt with lightly. Define this part of your post: "to interpret the Bible using the methods of the Image of the Beast." Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
[Re: Rick H]
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03/05/13 04:03 PM
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[quote=Johann]Ellen White never warned us against any Bible version, but she made it clear that we are not to interpret the Bible using the methods of the Image of the Beast, which is gaining a wide influence within the Seventh-day Adventist Church in recent years.
A great portion of conservative Adventists have abandoned using the way Ellen White said we should interpret Scripture, thereby following the methods of the fallen protestant churches around us.
How serious is that in comparison? Johann, Ellen White would have been opposed to the way you use the Bible. You have such a radical agenda here that every topic is the same. We could be talking about diabetes and you'd find some way of linking it to women's ordination. I usually try to stick to the topic, but I find it distracting to see every topic on this forum morph into a discussion of women's ordination, and frankly, I don't think it speaks well of your balance in using and interpreting scripture. If one of these Bible versions said that women should be ordained, you would be promoting it regardless of whatever else it might contain. Sometimes the truth needs to be said. Blessings, Green Cochoa. How far did you have to dig into what I said in this passage to find what you were looking for? And when you did not find it you pretended it was there and replied accordingly. Is that the way to handle such a discussion? Your balanced view? What I wrote in that post is in harmony with what is worrying some of the serious Bible teachers at our schools. This is very serious, and should not be dealt with lightly. But you have to take into account that new Christians dont always know what they are looking for, and the NIV and the other corrupted versions can lead them astray or into confusion as we see even in Advenstist circles on the nature of the GodHead. It is interesting that the most vocal evangelist that I have heard speak out against the modern versions, Walter Veith, has said that he was reading the NIV when he came to Christ. And the last time I heard him in person, we was using the NKJV. Just an observation.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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03/05/13 05:23 PM
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Define this part of your post: "to interpret the Bible using the methods of the Image of the Beast."
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. My apologies to you, Green, for expecting you to know the old "jargon" of Adventism. It was in connection with us reading the Great Controversy for family worship about 70 years ago that I first learned the meaning of the "Image of the Beast". In SDA circles it has been used as a term for "fallen protestantism". It is used 249 times in the wrings of Ellen G White, and it would not hurt you to familiarize yourself with her use of the term. If you choose to stay for a while with the Seventh-day Adventists, you will get familiar with these SDA terms, not the least if you stay with this forum. I promise that in the future I will not be quite as hard on you if there are some terms you are not familiar with. Even today I had a phone conversation with a fairly new Adventist who said he'd made the same discovery that there are more and more church members who are exchanging our solid methods of Bible interpretation for the methods of the Image of the Beast, and he is considering forming a study group with church members to re-discover the ancient paths which lead us back to understanding the real meaning of righteousness by faith and the true gospel.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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03/05/13 05:30 PM
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It is interesting that the most vocal evangelist that I have heard speak out against the modern versions, Walter Veith, has said that he was reading the NIV when he came to Christ. And the last time I heard him in person, we was using the NKJV. Just an observation.
It has been shown that the appearance of a new Bible translation often catches the attention of young people and that leads them to Christ. This might not satisfy those who think that you cannot baptize a person before he knows all of the doctrines 100%. Which is more important?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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