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Re: A Different Viewpoint on Sin
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07/14/05 04:00 AM
07/14/05 04:00 AM
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Sin isn't really separation from God, is it? Isn't that rather a result of sin?
Here we can have either a correct or a false concept, and I am not clear on the point that is being agreed on.
One way to separate sin from the result is that the result is caused by something other than sin, which could be in line with MM’s thinking, but an odd thought for you Tom.
On the other hand the other way to understand it is as in my post above, where the actual separation is the “sin of self-justification” as opposed to the initial transgression. But in this case it is “sin” that actually and really separates and the correct concept of sin is needed. So from Phil’s presentation of this “different viewpoint of sin” it is sin itself that separates.
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Re: A Different Viewpoint on Sin
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07/14/05 04:11 AM
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I think I see after rereading your post Tom, that you seem to be talking of separation in an absolute sense. I think it is important to recognize it also in the great controversy sense of whether it is of God’s spirit or not.
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you
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Re: A Different Viewpoint on Sin
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07/14/05 05:07 AM
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Tom, what process was at work when God used fire and water to destroy unsaved sinners in the OT? Perhaps you might want to consider answering this question on a different thread?
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Re: A Different Viewpoint on Sin
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07/14/05 06:07 PM
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John, I agreed with your post above relating to self-justification. I see things the same way you do, I'm quite sure; just slightly different language to explain the same ideas.
Regarding sin and separation, I was making the point that sin is not "separation from God" but rather causes separation from God. To use my language, sin is the wrong thinking which leads to us separating ourselves from God.
MM: EGW describes the process at work in great detail in the chapter "The Destruction of Jerusalem" in the Great Controversy, especially towards the end, like pp. 35-37.
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