APL,

Do you believe God? Do you believe the Bible? Why does God say that He will destroy?

Instead of finding fault with my view, perhaps you can provide us a superior explanation.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green - - do you not see the confusion in your statements? God does not destroy. God destroys... Which is it? Either He does or He does not. It can not be both.

It is Satan's constant effort to misrepresent the character of God, the nature of sin, and the real issues at stake in the great controversy. {GC 569.1}

Character of God - - God is a killer. He will destroy you if you sin

Nature of sin - - Long story - but one point for sure, sin kills, sin pays its wage.

Real issues at stake - - do you have freedom? Do you have free choice? Can you choose to separate from what God has to offer? If you do, how will God respond? God will let you go, He has to! Or there is no freedom. When God give sinners up, "gives them up" , when he "lets them god", "hands them over", sinners will dies. Read the book "The Great Controversy", chapter 1 on the destruction of Jerusalem. Did God destroy Jerusalem? NO. Yet it is an example of the punishment for sin.

Did God kill Jesus? JESUS IS THE KEY, JESUS IS THE ANSWER. God did NOT Kill Christ. Sin killed Christ. When you understand that, you understand that it is not God that executes sinners. Sin kills. Not God.

What God permits, He takes credit for. Did God kill Saul? NOPE. But, 1 Chronicles 10:14 and did not inquire of the LORD. So the LORD put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David son of Jesse.

Do YOU Believe God Green? Here is proof! God killed Saul. But what really happened? Read Deuteronomy 32. There are MANY examples of this. God did this and that. But what was really happening. The snake in the desert, "God sent the snakes". Numbers 21:6 Then the LORD sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. Did God send the snakes? The Bible says so! OR does it? EGW lifts the veil - God removed His protection and the snakes did what they naturally (well, after sin) do. HE HAD TO. Freedom of choice demanded it.

If the only reason sinners die in the end is because God executes them, then God is a tyrant. But sinners die because of sin, not God. In the end, everyone will know what the consequences of their choice will bring. And it is not execution. It is death to be sure, but just as Jesus did not die of execution by God, sinners will die the same death as Jesus.

And so yes, I reject the idea that God is the executioner. It makes one serve God from fear, not love. The last message of mercy to the world, COL 415, is God's character of love. Read Steps to Christ chapter 5! The use of force is contrary to God's government. Period, Full Stop. If you God executes sinners, is that not a use of force?

You guys should start another discussion about whether the Lord destroy or not.

Yes, Elle. Somehow people think that the spirits in prison have had something to do with whether or not God destroys. One wrong interpretation leads to another.

We have to be careful how we build. A weak block at the bottom may cause the whole structure to lean the wrong way later.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

APL sounds like this woman who called herself an evangelist that I had a run in with.

She said God would never hurt anyone for any reason. She said why would a God who is love hurt anyone?

I said "poor Jesus, He suffered for nothing then".

She got so mad she banned me from her webcast.

The answer jsot, is Jesus. "All that man needs to know or can know of God has been revealed in the life and character of His Son." {8T 286.1}

Did Jesus kill? Did Jesus destroy? Did God kill Jesus? NOPE. Jesus ministry was one of healing. Jesus IS the answer. How did Jesus treat the woman taken in adultery? Even more telling, how did Jesus treat her accusers?

Or the in John 5, Jesus healed the paralytic. Did God punish the paralytic, is that why he was paralyzed? NOPE. His own sinful behavior brought it on. Jesus warned him to sin no more, less something worse happen.

Jesus revealed at the cross the real cause of suffering and death. And it is NOT God. It is sin. The wages sin pays, is death. Sin when it is full grown, brings forth death. And those that hold on to their sin, will die, no question. THE question is how is God involved.

Is your ministry jsot, one of healing?

How many sites have you been banned from jsot? Just curious...

Man you really do not know scripture very well do you APL?

"Riches, power, genius, eloquence, pride, perverted reason, and passion are enlisted as Satan’s agents in doing his work in making the broad road attractive, strewing it with tempting flowers. But every word they have spoken against the world’s Redeemer will be reflected back upon them, and will one day burn into their guilty souls like molten lead. They will be overwhelmed with terror and shame as they behold the exalted One coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Then shall the bold defier, who lifted himself up against the Son of God, see himself in the true blackness of his character. The sight of the inexpressible glory of the Son of God will be intensely painful to those whose characters are stained with sin. The pure light and glory emanating from Christ will awaken remorse, shame, and terror. They will send forth wails of anguish to the rocks and mountains, “Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” {Con 87.1}

When Jesus came the first time it was to heal, the second time it will be to gather His people and destroy the wicked with the brightness of His coming.

If you think because you teach that Jesus does not destroy that your ministry is one of healing and mine is evil then you are deceived.

And about your last question..."How many sites have you been banned from jsot? Just curious..." I would say that is something the devil would ask to get people to see me as evil.

Jesus said "beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues." Matthew 10:17

APL You think you get to turn people against me for your own amusement. You will be very ashamed very soon.

Matthew 21

38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

I was praying on this to make sure not to speak in my own words. Here is what I am privileged to share.

God has led me to find people who are in need all over the world.

This message that I am sharing with you in this thread is for advanced lessons. You claim to have superior knowledge that directly contradicts what my God has shown me. This is why I am compelled to take you on in this issue. Yet with all the proof I have supplied you will not be swayed. This what my God has shown me.

About the healing...

Jesus led me away from being a minor rock and roll celebrity to follow Him, and this alone taught thousands of people about our Faith. So many people asked why I left. It gave opportunity to share.

God has led me to open a smoothie shop that taught thousands of people about the Sabbath and the Health Reform message thorough bible studies etc. I invested 5 years of my life there serving God.

God has given miracles over and over thorough me for others and He continually gives powerful answers to prayer for leading in truth.

I helped build three churches in America, and was asked to give testimony and sermons regarding the visions and dreams God has given me.

He has led me around the word to help people. He has given me the means to independently build churches in Indonesia. He gave me the Holy Spirit to teach others and lead them to baptism.

You want to know how to make a person burn? It is very simple.

Proverbs 25:21-22 If your enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink: 22 For you shall heap coals of fire on his head, and the LORD shall reward you.

Romans 12:20 Therefore if your enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing you shall heap coals of fire on his head.