Psalms 78:49-51 He cast on them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them. 50 He made a way to his anger; he spared not their soul from death, but gave their life over to the pestilence; 51 And smote all the firstborn in Egypt; the chief of their strength in the tabernacles of Ham:

Many of the Egyptians had been led to acknowledge the God of the Hebrews as the only true God, and these now begged to be permitted to find shelter in the homes of Israel when the destroying angel should pass through the land. They were gladly welcomed, and they pledged themselves henceforth to serve the God of Jacob and to go forth from Egypt with His people. {PP 279.2}

QUESTION: Who causes the last plagues? God or Satan? Are not the plagues of Egypt typical of the last plagues?

"save you" from what? God's execution? NO. Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and you shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Sin is the cause of all suffering and death. Jesus came to save us from sin, not to save us from Himself!

Dear JAK,

I was praying, asking God how to address you to resolve our conflict, and I was impressed.

I am not here condemn you.

I am only here to share what my God has shown me.

I do not want to be worshiped, I'm not even worthy of being called a Christian.

God showed me that you need to be prayed for, and not to fight with, even though it appears to me that you are bent on trying to hurt me, may God bless you and I hope some day you are able to see what I have been honored and blessed to be lead to in truth.

God will only allow us to see in present truth. He does not reveal everything in scripture all at once, but He gives us clues beyond what we know already in His truth. These clues are to promote us to search for the answers, then when we are ready He reveals what we were searching for.

When we are wrong He will guide us to what is right if we let Him. We can believe anything we want in this world, and it is not a crime to share. But when God reveals what is hidden and we want to deny the new light, holding on to our own beliefs and condemning those who do not agree, we are left behind. We have the right to not move forward, but in God's eyes we do not have the right to condemn those who are ahead of us. I have learned this the hard way, and I hope to keep this lesson close to my heart.

You can say anything you want against me, but if you want to prove that you love God, yet still feel the need to contend with what I have been shown, it would be prudent for you to supply biblical proof of your stand instead of fighting in your own strength.

God loves you, and I will follow His leading in this, but I am flawed and need as much grace as the next man.

The revelations God has given me are for the church. Please deal with the issues in the light of truth so we do not get caught up in the rabble, burying the light.

Everything I have claimed that God has shown me is the truth, but I still do not see all the ends of the matter, but I am willing, and He is able to correct me. I am confident He has lead me here for this purpose. Amen.

I hope your heart is healed. And I hope I get to be proven wrong about you, but I am afraid for you, since you seem bent on throwing dirt on the good things I have seen. I am zealous for the truth and I swear on my life that I do not want to be in error on any point. This has been my desire from the day God lead me to the SDA church.

I only want to be treated with the same respect that you would demand as a man. No more, no less.

I claim God speaks to me through His Still Small Voice and this is the truth. I have been shown that He would speak to all of us if we could only get away from the noise of the world and listen through the light of His word.

That is what I present and have tried to garner for the 18 years that I have had the privilege of calling myself a Seventh Day Adventist. If you want to fight, I am not willing any more, so as I asked before please leave me alone if that is your desire, which it has seemed to me from the first time you responded to me. If I am wrong about that I am sorry, but the evidence in my view shows only that from you.

I hope these debates plant a seed in your heart for the future.

Yes, Christ came to destroy the works of the devil, 1 John 3:8. No question. The question is, is God the source of the destruction of all sinners? The answer is no, sin is the cause of the destruction of sinners. (Romans 6:23; James 1:15) Satan is the destroyer, God is the restorer. If you are not restored, you will die! If you will not let God HEAL you, He ultimately needs to let you go. This is a strange work for God. We have seen only one time in all of History, what the result of sin is, and that is the death of Christ. And how was God involved?

Isaiah 33:14-15 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness has surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? 15 He that walks righteously, and speaks uprightly; he that despises the gain of oppressions, that shakes his hands from holding of bribes, that stops his ears from hearing of blood, and shuts his eyes from seeing evil;

To sin, wherever found, "our God is a consuming fire." Hebrews 12:29. In all who submit to His power the Spirit of God will consume sin. But if men cling to sin, they become identified with it. Then the glory of God, which destroys sin, must destroy them. ... The light of the glory of God, which imparts life to the righteous, will slay the wicked. {DA 107.4} There is nothing arbitrary about this. There is no execution of sinners, it is sin that kills the sinner. The righteous live in His presence, the wicked die, it is natural consequences of sin.

Exodus 33:20 And he said, You can not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Thank you for admitting that God is a destroyer. Now, how can He be and not be at one and the same time?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Your legal model of sin, says sin is breaking the rules. The only way to punish a law breaker is by judicial punishment, therefore the entity the made the law must also give the punishment, therefor God is the destroyer. Sin is really not the cause of all the ills we see, there is no INTRINSIC harm from sin, for sin is only a legal problem. Sin is breaking the rules, and this goes against God's law, so really God is the destroyer because the only way to get rid of sin is for God to wipe out the sinner. Therefor God is THE destroyer, and satan is what? just another law breaker? Satan is not the destroyer, for that is God. He is not the restorer we know that. Makes no sense.

I just made a post on MSABOL, therefore I am the creator! If I make a typo in my post, and I go in a correct it, am I then a destroyer? God has made NO mistakes in His creation. But there was one that corrupted God's creation. God will correct the errors. Why? Because sin can not exist in what God has made. Sin creates an instability which will destroy the sinner. The only way to survive is for the sinner to be restored, this is the plan of salvation. The natural consequences of sin were suspended at the start of the sin problem. (chapter 1 of Patriarchs and Prophets - Why was sin permitted). The Glory of God has been veiled. Exodus 33:20 And he said, You can not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 1 John 3:1-2 Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knows us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. OR, “even as he is.” Those who saw Jesus of Nazareth did not see the Son of God as He really is, for His divine glory was veiled by His humanity (see DA-43). But when Christ comes the second time, He will appear in His glory (Matthew 25:31), and those who look upon Him then will behold His true splendor.

So as I posted above:
To sin, wherever found, "our God is a consuming fire." Hebrews 12:29. In all who submit to His power the Spirit of God will consume sin. But if men cling to sin, they become identified with it. Then the glory of God, which destroys sin, must destroy them. ... The light of the glory of God, which imparts life to the righteous, will slay the wicked. {DA 107.4} There is nothing arbitrary about this. There is no execution of sinners, it is sin that kills the sinner. The righteous live in His presence, the wicked die, it is natural consequences of sin. 

Who was the destroyer of the people of Sodom & Gomorrah by fire and brimstone?

Hosea 11:8 How can I give you up, Ephraim? How can I hand you over, O Israel? How can I make you like Admah? How can I treat you like Zeboiim? My heart recoils within me; my compassion grows warm and tender.Who are Admah and Zeboiim?

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