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Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: jamesonofthunder] #151036
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Lev 23:30 And whoever does any work on that very day, that person I will destroy from among his people.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: jamesonofthunder] #151037
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Lev 26:30 And I will destroy your high places and cut down your incense altars and cast your dead bodies upon the dead bodies of your idols, and my soul will abhor you.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: jamesonofthunder] #151038
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Deuteronomy 9:3
Know therefore today that he who goes over before you as a consuming fire is the Lord your God. He will destroy them and subdue them before you. So you shall drive them out and make them perish quickly, as the Lord has promised you.

But your theories and promises mean more?


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: jamesonofthunder] #151039
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Deuteronomy 9:14
Let me alone, that I may destroy them and blot out their name from under heaven.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: jamesonofthunder] #151040
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Here is a good one that totally contradicts your words KLAND

Deuteronomy 28:63
And as the Lord took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the Lord will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you. And you shall be plucked off the land that you are entering to take possession of it.

Seems very apropos to this conversation.

You think I am being evil right now. I think you think yourself more worthy to discern the word of truth than I am.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: jamesonofthunder] #151041
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1 Corinthians 3:17
If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: kland] #151055
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Interesting quote I came across while reading on a different topic!
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We are to observe carefully every lesson Christ has given throughout His life and teaching. He does not destroy; He improves whatever He touches.--Letter 135, 1897. {1SM 118.1}
What happens when we do not allow Christ in our life? What happens to those that reject Him? Is it love me, or I'll kill you? No. It is love Me, (and He has shown us ample tokens of His love), love Me, or I will, sadly, let you go. He will not force us. But the separation will result is death.

Romans 2:4 Or despise you the riches of his goodness and forbearance and long-suffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: jamesonofthunder] #151056
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k: So in summary, I hear you saying that for those who do not love God, He will intentionally kill them, plain and simple.


Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
Here is a good one that totally contradicts your words KLAND

Deuteronomy 28:63
And as the Lord took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the Lord will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you. And you shall be plucked off the land that you are entering to take possession of it.

Seems very apropos to this conversation.

You think I am being evil right now. I think you think yourself more worthy to discern the word of truth than I am.

I only asked if that's what I hear you saying. Based on your many emphatic responses, it does sound like I am correctly understanding what you are saying. I'm not sure why you are coming across angry at me just stating what you are saying.

Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: kland] #151061
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You guys keep quoting things that are relative to salvation and have nothing to do with judgment which proves a lack of judgment on your part.

I think it is less than forthright for you both to be taking quotes out of context and it can be proven by looking at the whole quote in any of yours. Here is your whole quote;

The Passive Graces
The Lord permits circumstances to come that call for the exercise of the passive graces, which increase in purity and efficiency as we endeavor to give back to the Lord His own in tithes and offerings. You know something of what it means to pass through trials. These have given you the opportunity of trusting in God, of seeking Him in earnest prayer, that you may believe in Him, and rely upon Him with simple faith. It is by suffering that our virtues are tested, and our faith tried. It is in the day of trouble that we feel the preciousness of Jesus. You will be given opportunity to say, “Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him” (Job 13:15). Oh, it is so precious to think that opportunities are afforded us to confess our faith in the face of danger, and amid sorrow, sickness, pain, and death.... {1SM 117.4}
With us, everything depends on how we accept the Lord’s terms. As is our spirit, so will be the moral result upon our future life and character. Each individual soul has victories to gain, but he must realize that he cannot have things just as he wants them. We are to observe carefully every lesson Christ has given throughout His life and teaching. He does not destroy; He improves whatever He touches.—Letter 135, 1897. {1SM 118.1}

Where in this quote do you see anything about judgment? It is in this life while still under probation that Jesus does not destroy, but look at ANY quote about the second coming... It makes me sick that you would do this here. Why? Here is a search query for you...look up 'slay the wicked' or 'destroying angel' and may God shut the mouth of any who contradict what He showed our prophet.

"But wherever men came before God while willfully cherishing evil, they were destroyed. At the second advent of Christ the wicked shall be consumed “with the Spirit of His mouth,” and destroyed “with the brightness of His coming.” 2 Thessalonians 2:8. The light of the glory of God, which imparts life to the righteous, will slay the wicked." {DA 107.4}

How can you see this for anything but what it says? Is this saying He just lets them die?

"The destroying angel is soon to go forth again, not to destroy the first-born alone, but “to slay utterly old and young, both men, women, and little children” who have not the mark." {RH March 28, 1893, Art. B, par. 13}

So God just lets them die eh? YOU DO NOT KNOW THE TRUTH! But you're so bold to continue to take the word of God on in this issue.

"In the days of Israel, when the sanctuary service was instituted, the Lord directed that only sacred fire should be used in the burning of incense. The holy fire was of God’s own kindling, and the fragrant smoke represented the prayers of the people as they ascended before God. Nadab and Abihu were priests of the sanctuary, and although it was not lawful to use common fire, these priests, when they went in before God, presumed to kindle their incense with unconsecrated fire. The priests had been indulging in the use of wine, and their moral sensibilities were benumbed; they did not discern the character of their actions, or realize what would be the fearful consequences of their sin. A fire blazed out from the holy of Holies and consumed them. {Te 280.1}

Who dwells in the Most Holy Place?

So did Satan come out of the Holy of Holies to kill them or did God just suck the life out of them? Or as in the second resurrection were they consumed by the righteous fire of God?

God Destroyed them just as he will anyone burning strange fire before Him. You do know what strange fire is don't you boys?

"God has not changed. He is as particular and exact in His requirements now as He was in the days of Moses. But in the sanctuaries of worship in our day, with the songs of praise, the prayers, and the teaching from the pulpit, there is not merely strange fire but positive defilement... What an insult to Him who is holy, dwelling in light unapproachable! {Con 84.1}


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: jamesonofthunder] #151062
03/22/13 06:18 PM
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John 3:14-21
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As Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the desert, in the same way the Son of Man must be lifted up,
15 so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to be its judge, but to be its savior.
18 Those who believe in the Son are not judged; but those who do not believe have already been judged, because they have not believed in God's only Son.
19 This is how the judgment works: the light has come into the world, but people love the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds are evil.
20 Those who do evil things hate the light and will not come to the light, because they do not want their evil deeds to be shown up.
21 But those who do what is true come to the light in order that the light may show that what they did was in obedience to God.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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