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Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: APL] #151115
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Originally Posted By: APL
What is your wife was taken away. YOur family kidnapped, raped or murdered? What is all your possessions were destroyed. What is you became ill, near death in misery? Would you still trust God? none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that fears God, and eschews evil? and still he holds fast his integrity, although you moved me against him, to destroy him without cause. Did God destroy Job? HOW?

You don't know me. That's probably good! You make many accusations, all with out knowledge. It is good for suggesting doubt, but it has no truth. IF I told you my life and expiriences, would you even believe? I have evidence that you would. This I will say: Jeremiah 9:23-24 Thus said the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: 24 But let him that glories glory in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD which exercise loving kindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, said the LORD.

Can you feel the love people? I am so thankful that you are revealing yourself. You are trying curse me, and that is obvious.

You think you are so smart. You say "if you don't love, there is no light in you", then prove you do not know how to love.

Like Job, I have gone through hell too, and I loved God through it.

When my Grand father disowned me from our family because I became a Seventh Day Adventist, breaking from the Irish Catholic church, and took me out of his will for the Family fortune worth millions, Se Lave' the Lord Giveth and the Lord taketh away. My devotion to God was rewarded.

When my ex wife slept with six other men within the first year of our marriage and told me about it as she was moving out after I had done everything in my power to help her, The Lord Giveth and the Lord taketh away, now I have a much better wife.

When my sister was murdered by her boyfriend last year and the guy had the nerve to try to claim it wasn't him when there was blood all over him when he was caught and his cell phone records proved he was at the scene, and someone wanted to have him murdered, I pleaded with him not to. I shared with him 'that man will have his reward'. He was beaten to a pulp in jail just last week, and he is looking at life in that hell...

The hardest thing was the hate that I have been shown since I was wrong about the event of Satan appearing as an angel of light in the form of John Paul II. This is what I am having the hardest time dealing with because of my love for the church. Men talking among themselves as if it their duty to curse me behind my back and only hearing about it through the warnings of God and the gossip that gets back to me. Se' Lave'...

Heavenly Father; show this man who he is trying to curse in your name as if he speaks for you. Have mercy on him, but if he will not repent and continues to spread lies in your name, let your will be done and silence his voice from our church, in Jesus name amen.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: jamesonofthunder] #151116
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"But the priests of Baal, even in their discomfiture and in the presence of divine glory, refused to repent. They would still remain the prophets of Baal. Thus they showed themselves ripe for destruction.
That repentant Israel might be protected from those who taught them to worship Baal, Elijah was directed by the Lord to destroy these false teachers. The anger of the people had already been aroused, and when Elijah gave the command, “Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape,” they were ready to obey. They took them to the brook Kishon, and there, before the close of the day that marked the beginning of decided reform, the ministers of Baal were slain." {SS 80.5}

Did God let them die of natural causes? How about plagues or wild beasts?

False teachers in Israel have a very bad ending, especially if they do not repent of their wickedness. Get it?


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: jamesonofthunder] #151117
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"Elisha was a man of mild and kindly spirit; but that he could also be stern is shown by his course when, on the way to Bethel, he was mocked by ungodly youth who had come out of the city. These youth had heard of Elijah’s ascension, and they made this solemn event the subject of their jeers, saying to Elisha, “Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.” At the sound of their mocking words the prophet turned back, and under the inspiration of the Almighty he pronounced a curse upon them. The awful judgment that followed was of God. “There came forth two she-bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two” of them. 2 Kings 2:23, 24. {PK 235.2}
Had Elisha allowed the mockery to pass unnoticed, he would have continued to be ridiculed and reviled by the rabble, and his mission to instruct and save in a time of grave national peril might have been defeated. This one instance of terrible severity was sufficient to command respect throughout his life. For fifty years he went in and out of the gate of Bethel, and to and fro in the land, from city to city, passing through crowds of idle, rude, dissolute youth; but none mocked him or made light of his qualifications as the prophet of the Most High. {PK 236.1}
Even kindness should have its limits. Authority must be maintained by a firm severity, or it will be received by many with mockery and contempt. The so-called tenderness, the coaxing and indulgence, used toward youth by parents and guardians, is one of the worst evils which can come upon them. In every family, firmness, decision, positive requirements, are essential. {PK 236.2}

But you would say this is severe wouldn't you APL?


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: jamesonofthunder] #151120
03/23/13 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
Originally Posted By: APL
What is your wife was taken away. YOur family kidnapped, raped or murdered? What is all your possessions were destroyed. What is you became ill, near death in misery? Would you still trust God? none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that fears God, and eschews evil? and still he holds fast his integrity, although you moved me against him, to destroy him without cause. Did God destroy Job? HOW?

You don't know me. That's probably good! You make many accusations, all with out knowledge. It is good for suggesting doubt, but it has no truth. IF I told you my life and expiriences, would you even believe? I have evidence that you would. This I will say: Jeremiah 9:23-24 Thus said the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: 24 But let him that glories glory in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD which exercise loving kindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, said the LORD.

Can you feel the love people? I am so thankful that you are revealing yourself. You are trying curse me, and that is obvious.

You think you are so smart. You say "if you don't love, there is no light in you", then prove you do not know how to love.

Like Job, I have gone through hell too, and I loved God through it.

When my Grand father disowned me from our family because I became a Seventh Day Adventist, breaking from the Irish Catholic church, and took me out of his will for the Family fortune worth millions, Se Lave' the Lord Giveth and the Lord taketh away. My devotion to God was rewarded.

When my ex wife slept with six other men within the first year of our marriage and told me about it as she was moving out after I had done everything in my power to help her, The Lord Giveth and the Lord taketh away, now I have a much better wife.

When my sister was murdered by her boyfriend last year and the guy had the nerve to try to claim it wasn't him when there was blood all over him when he was caught and his cell phone records proved he was at the scene, and someone wanted to have him murdered, I pleaded with him not to. I shared with him 'that man will have his reward'. He was beaten to a pulp in jail just last week, and he is looking at life in that hell...

The hardest thing was the hate that I have been shown since I was wrong about the event of Satan appearing as an angel of light in the form of John Paul II. This is what I am having the hardest time dealing with because of my love for the church. Men talking among themselves as if it their duty to curse me behind my back and only hearing about it through the warnings of God and the gossip that gets back to me. Se' Lave'...

Heavenly Father; show this man who he is trying to curse in your name as if he speaks for you. Have mercy on him, but if he will not repent and continues to spread lies in your name, let your will be done and silence his voice from our church, in Jesus name amen.
jsot - you have been through a lot. I KNOW your pain. How can I know you say to yourself. Your history is not unique. Did God cause it? No. That is what you need to know. And do not think you are a corner on the pain and trials. The adversary, the source of ALL pain and suffering is after everyone, some more severely than others. 1 Corinthians 10:13 TCW Also remember that you haven’t had any temptation that others haven’t had. God is faithful and He will not let you be tempted beyond your strength but will provide a way of escape so you’ll be able to stand up against it.

It sounds to me that you are bitter about your own experience. I hope that is not true. But if it is, don't continue to dwell on it. Take to word of the Lord: Philippians 4:4-8 Rejoice in the Lord always: and again I say, Rejoice. 5 Let your moderation be known to all men. The Lord is at hand. 6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God, which passes all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are honest, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you," says the LORD. "They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope.

Remember Paul and Silas in their time of trouble, did they dwell on their misfortune? No. Acts 16:24-25 So the jailer put them into the inner dungeon and clamped their feet in the stocks. 25 Around midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening.

2 Timothy 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed to him against that day.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: jamesonofthunder] #151123
03/23/13 11:48 AM
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But you would say this is severe wouldn't you APL?
I would suggest your read chapter 90 in volume 5 of the Testimonies, titles The Character of God Revealed in Christ. Green should too since he feels we did not need the NT to understand the character of God.
Originally Posted By: EGW 5T chap. 90 excerpts
From the beginning it has been Satan's studied plan to cause men to forget God, that he might secure them to himself. Hence he has sought to misrepresent the character of God, to lead men to cherish a false conception of Him. The Creator has been presented to their minds as clothed with the attributes of the prince of evil himself,--as arbitrary, severe, and unforgiving,--that He might be feared, shunned, and even hated by men. Satan hoped to so confuse the minds of those whom he had deceived that they would put God out of their knowledge. Then he would obliterate the divine image in man and impress his own likeness upon the soul; he would imbue men with his own spirit and make them captives according to his will. {5T 738.1}

Christ came to reveal God to the world as a God of love, full of mercy, tenderness, and compassion. The thick darkness with which Satan had endeavored to enshroud the throne of Deity was swept away by the world's Redeemer, and the Father was again manifest to men as the light of life. {5T 738.4}

Says the apostle: "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself." Only as we contemplate the great plan of redemption can we have a just appreciation of the character of God. The work of creation was a manifestation of His love; but the gift of God to save the guilty and ruined race, alone reveals the infinite depths of divine tenderness and compassion. "God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." While the law of God is maintained, and its justice vindicated, the sinner can be pardoned. The dearest gift that heaven itself had to bestow has been poured out that God "might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." By that gift men are uplifted from the ruin and degradation of sin to become children of God. Says Paul: "Ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father." {5T 739.2}

It is Satan's constant study to keep the minds of men occupied with those things which will prevent them from obtaining the knowledge of God. He seeks to keep them dwelling upon what will darken the understanding and discourage the soul. We are in a world of sin and corruption, surrounded by influences that tend to allure or dishearten the followers of Christ. The Saviour said: "Because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold." Many fix their eyes upon the terrible wickedness existing around them, the apostasy and weakness on every side, and they talk of these things until their hearts are filled with sadness and doubt. They keep uppermost before the mind the masterly working of the archdeceiver and dwell upon the discouraging features of their experience, while they seem to lose sight of the heavenly Father's power and His matchless love. It is a mistake to think of the enemy of righteousness as clothed with so great power, when we dwell so little upon the love of God and His might. We must talk of the mightiness of Christ. We are utterly powerless to rescue ourselves from the grasp of Satan; but God has appointed a way of escape. The Son of the Highest has strength to fight the battle for us, and "through Him that loved us" we may come off "more than conquerors." {5T 740.2}

It is true that disappointments will come; tribulation we must expect; but we are to commit everything, great and small, to God. He does not become perplexed by the multiplicity of our grievances nor overpowered by the weight of our burdens.

Brethren and sisters, it is by beholding that we become changed. [and it works both for good and bad] By dwelling upon the love of God and our Saviour, by contemplating the perfection of the divine character and claiming the righteousness of Christ as ours by faith, we are to be transformed into the same image. Then let us not gather together all the unpleasant pictures--the iniquities and corruptions and disappointments, the evidences of Satan's power--to hang in the halls of our memory, to talk over and mourn over until our souls are filled with discouragement. A discouraged soul is a body of darkness, not only failing himself to receive the light of God, but shutting it away from others. Satan loves to see the effect of the pictures of his triumphs, making human beings faithless and disheartened. {5T 744.3}

Just before us is the closing struggle of the great controversy when, with "all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness," Satan is to work to misrepresent the character of God, that he may "seduce, if it were possible, even the elect." If there was ever a people in need of constantly increasing light from heaven, it is the people that, in this time of peril, God has called to be the depositaries of His holy law and to vindicate His character before the world.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: APL] #151130
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I'm just wondering when there will be unity in the brotherhood, since what you claim and what my God shows me are so diametrically opposed I would think this would lead one to conclude we are not be considered brothers in the light of scripture. Especially since we are so close to the end of time. When will there be unity in the truth, which was a fundamental element of receiving the early rain and must be a part of the completion of the mystery of Godliness.

There will be no second opinions in the latter rain and we are very far from that. I see miracles and my God speaks to me, then men like you attack me for what I have been shown instead of trying to work through our differences and see the harmony in what He tells me. This I claim in the name of Jesus.

Men within the church who treat with contempt what our Father showed our prophet through the Spirit of Prophecy, make me very sad.





Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Love me or I'll kill you! [Re: jamesonofthunder] #151141
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I'm just wondering when there will be unity in the brotherhood, since what you claim and what my God shows me are so diametrically opposed I would think this would lead one to conclude we are not be considered brothers in the light of scripture. Especially since we are so close to the end of time. When will there be unity in the truth, which was a fundamental element of receiving the early rain and must be a part of the completion of the mystery of Godliness.

There will be no second opinions in the latter rain and we are very far from that. I see miracles and my God speaks to me, then men like you attack me for what I have been shown instead of trying to work through our differences and see the harmony in what He tells me. This I claim in the name of Jesus.

Men within the church who treat with contempt what our Father showed our prophet through the Spirit of Prophecy, make me very sad.
I have no contempt for The Spirit or Prophecy as shown in the Bible and Ellen White. But, are YOU claim to have the Spirit of Prophesy? Is that your claim?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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The question is not if I have received the Spirit of Prophecy but if YOU have! I would argue that if you do not claim the Spirit of Prophecy you are lost!

"Secret prayer is frequently perverted... and secret prayer loses its softening, sacred influence. There is a storm of feeling, a storm of words, making it impossible to discern the still, small voice that speaks to the soul while engaged in its secret, true, heartfelt devotion. Secret prayer, properly carried out, is productive of great good. Sweet and abiding will be the influence emanating from Him who seeth in secret, whose ear is open to answer the prayer arising from the heart. By calm, simple faith the soul holds communion with God and gathers to itself divine rays of light to strengthen and sustain it to endure the conflicts of Satan. God is our tower of strength.—(Testimonies for the Church 2:189, 190.) {Pr 178.1}

"When the still small voice which succeeds the whirlwind and the tempest that moves the rocks out of position, is heard, let all cover their face, for God is very near. Let them hide themselves in Jesus Christ; for He is their hiding place. The cleft in the rock is hidden with His own pierced hand while the humble seeker waits in bowed attitude to hear what saith the Lord unto His servant.—Manuscript 84b, 1897. {2SM 316.1}

"The Spirit of the Lord, with its still, small voice, invites sinners to come to Christ, saying, “Turn ye, turn ye, for why will ye die?” “Come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.” Divine wisdom suggests ways and means of reaching the conscience and the understanding. Precious facts in the history of revealed truth and in Christian experience were presented, and decisions were fully made on the Lord’s side. Sinners were led to behold the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world. The Christian life, which had before seemed to them undesirable and full of inconsistencies, now appeared in its true light, in remarkable symmetry and beauty. He who had been to them as a root out of dry ground, without form or comeliness, became “the chiefest among ten thousand,” and the one altogether lovely. {RH February 12, 1889, par. 3}

If you do not have the Spirit of Prophecy then your whole intent and purpose here is proven to be evil!

But to answer more directly to your sinister intent, how did you find the Sabbath and the SDA church?

I was led led here and NO MAN taught me. I was praying and fasting and reading scripture for a whole week searching for God and when I read "The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath day" a light filled my mind and I heard the Still, Small voice say "this will lead you home to me".

So yes with all my soul I claim the Spirit of Prophecy and HE has never been wrong, although I have erred many times in my own strength rushing ahead of His promptings. But not all of my failures have been in my own strength either. Sometimes it has been listening to other flawed men.

So do you want to crucify me for heresy? Just the way worded that question proves who you serve and what you believe.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Every single person who was led to the upper room on Pentecost received the Spirit of Prophecy. Even before that day Jesus breathed the Spirit on men to prepare them for the outpouring of the Early rain, just as he has on me to prepare me for the LATTER RAIN.

In fact I would say if you do not have the Spirit of Prophecy and you are trying to teach men about scripture you have proven who resides inside you.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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This does mean I am not above reproach or unable to fall from Grace either.

Jones and Wagoner were called the "servants of God" and "God's messengers" but did they die in this state? They had the Spirit of Prophecy and they fell.

But if you had received the powerful dreams that I have that showed my whole life in prophetic language and saw how it was fulfilled point by point I would hope that you would not deny the fact. But maybe you would.

"We are glad the truths it advocates are taking deep root in the hearts of God’s children, and that we can see indications of a greater growth of grace and spirituality among the remnant. And while we see the church coming up out of the wilderness, and preparing for the refreshing or latter rain that is soon to be bestowed upon the saints, we earnestly desire to rise with them, to heed the counsel of the faithful and true Witness, be zealous and repent, that we may be counted worthy to share these blessings, and to escape those things that are coming on the earth, and to stand before the Son of man when he appears. We know that ours is a blessed hope. The Apostle saith, Every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 1 John 3:3. We want to be humble followers of the dear Saviour, to have the truth through which we are to be sanctified, in our hearts as well as in our heads. Paul exhorts us that we put off concerning the former conversation, the old man which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of our mind; and that we put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. {ARSH May 5, 1859, p. 191.9}

So go ahead and make fun of me, see what that gets you in the end.

And people wonder why I respond the way I do? Evil and disbelief are EVERYWHERE in our church.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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and is not part of, or affiliated with, or endorsed by
The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland
or any of its subsidiaries.

"And He saith unto them, follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." Matt. 4:19
MARITIME 2ND ADVENT BELIEVERS ONLINE (FORMERLY MARITIME SDA ONLINE) CONSISTING MAINLY OF BOTH MEMBERS & FRIENDS
OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH,
INVITES OTHER MEMBERS & FRIENDS OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WHO WISHES TO JOIN US!
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