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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #151345
03/29/13 11:21 AM
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I found this recent article concerning Canada. I don't know if the interpretation of the writer is correct, but basically he's saying that the 2013 Canadian budget plan is to do the same as in Cyprus???
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Canada Includes Depositor Haircut Bail-In Provision For Systemically Important Banks in 2013 Budget!

http://www.silverdoctors.com/canada-incl...in-2013-budget/

Just as DieselBOOM accidentally admitted Monday, it appears that the Cypriot bail-in is anything but a one-off event, and is in fact the new collapse template for the entire Western banking system, and not just the ECB/ Eurozone!

SD[Silver Doctor] has been alerted to an alarming provision that has been buried deep inside the official 2013 Canadian Budget that will result in depositor haircut bail-ins jumping to this side of the pond during the next bank crisis!

Titled ECONOMIC ACTION PLAN 2013 and tabled in the House of Commons by Minster of Finance James Flaherty on March 21st, the official 2013 Canadian budget contains an explicit provision that Canada will pursue the bail-in model for systemically important banks for future bank failures!

Depositor haircuts have just jumped to this side of the pond, effective the next bank crisis/ failure:

From Page 144:

Quote:
The Government also recognizes the need to manage the risks associated with systemically important banks—those banks whose distress or failure could cause a disruption to the financial system and, in turn, negative impacts on the economy. This requires strong prudential oversight and a robust set of options for resolving these institutions without the use of taxpayer funds, in the unlikely event that one becomes non-viable.”

Translated, Without the use of taxpayer funds means via depositor funds.

And the meat of the provision, from Page 145:

Quote:
"The Government proposes to implement a bail-in regime for systemically important banks. This regime will be designed to ensure that, in the unlikely event that a systemically important bank depletes its capital, the bank can be recapitalized and returned to viability through the very rapid conversion of certain bank liabilities into regulatory capital.

This will reduce risks for taxpayers. The Government will consult stakeholders on how best to implement a bail-in regime in Canada."

Implementation timelines will allow for a smooth transition for affected institutions, investors and other market participants…

Confiscating wealth from depositors will reduce risks for taxpayers??? Only those with 100% of their assets in physical gold and silver, or those Canadian depositors who are somehow not also taxpayers perhaps!

The bail-in provision in Canada’s 2013 budget can be found on pages 144,145:

www.budget.gc.ca/2013/doc/plan/budget2013-eng.pdf


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #151418
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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #151546
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It looks like the above article interpretation of the 2013 Canadian budget was correct. Read today's CBC financial head news below.
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Neil Macdonald: Ottawa weighing plans for bank failures
Federal government looking at 'Cyprus solution'


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/04/02/f-rfa-macdonald-canada-cyprus-banks.html

"Buried deep in last month's federal budget is an ambiguously worded section that has roiled parts of the financial world but has so far been largely ignored by the mainstream media.

It boils down to this: Ottawa is contemplating the possibility of a Canadian bank failure — and the same sort of pitiless prescription that was just imposed in Cyprus.

Meaning no bailout by taxpayers, but rather a "bail-in" that would force the bank's creditors to absorb the staggering losses that such an event would inevitably entail.

If that sounds sobering, it should. While officials in Ottawa are playing down the possibility of a raid on the bank accounts of ordinary Canadians, they chose not to include that guarantee in the budget language.

Canadians tend to believe their banks are safer and more backstopped than elsewhere in the world. The federal government enthusiastically promotes the notion, and loves to take credit for it.

It may well be true, even if Canada's six-bank oligopoly isn't terribly competitive, at least in comparison to the far more diverse American banking universe.

But in the ever-more insecure world that has unfolded since the financial meltdown of 2008, it is also increasingly clear that nothing is safe anymore, not even blue-chip bank stocks and bonds or even, in the case of the Cyprus bail-in, private bank accounts.

And now, Canada is making a bail-in official government policy, too.

"The government proposes to implement a bail-in regime … designed to ensure that, in the unlikely event that a systemically important bank depletes its capital, the bank can be recapitalized and returned to viability," says Finance Minister Jim Flaherty's March 21 budget, on page 144.

That would be done, the document says, through the rapid conversion of "certain bank liabilities."

Ottawa's budget document leaves the definition of "certain liabilities" to the reader's imagination.

Bank deposits?
There has been very little public debate about the plan to date, but Finance Department officials and the banks protest it should never be taken to mean small personal deposits would be seized.

Depositors wait to enter a branch of the Laiki Bank in Nicosia on March 28. Cyprus's banks had been closed for almost two weeks as the country's financial crisis mounted, and were only opened with tight controls on transactions to prevent a further run. (Bogdan Cristel / Reuters)Deposits are insured by the Canadian Deposit Insurance Corporation, up to $100,000, and the inviolability of that insurance is key to maintaining the crucial public trust.

"The risk of the Canadian government not honouring its insurance on deposits is as close to zero as you can get," says Craig Alexander, chief economist at TD Canada Trust.

Perhaps.

As the Cyprus meltdown proceeded, it became clear that Europe's finance ministers and central banks, encouraged by the International Monetary Fund, were not only willing to freeze and seize uninsured deposits over 100,000 euros, they were also initially willing to cancel deposit insurance and go after small depositors, too.

In the end, the plan was rewritten, and insured deposits were protected. But the signal had been sent: The Europeans and the IMF had been prepared to do the unthinkable.

Holland's finance minister then declared that bail-ins would be the template for all future bank rescues in Europe, and that he could not rule out seizure of deposits elsewhere.

"It was a monumentally stupid thing to do," says TD Canada Trust's Alexander. "I do not believe we would ever see that in Canada.

"I think the international community will have learned from their mistake. And it was a huge mistake."

High-risk bonds
So what does Canada have in mind with its proposed bail-in scheme?

The aim is virtuous: Canada wants to erase the enormous moral hazard created by the concept of "too big to fail."

Americans still burn with anger at the decision to reward irresponsible, even fraudulent bankers with trillions in public bailout money, while the rest of the country sank into recession. Canadian tax money was also used to prop up banks and the automotive industry.

In ruling out future bailouts, Ottawa's logic is simple: Make it clear there is no tax-funded safety net, and you discourage reckless behaviour, protecting taxpayers in the process.

That leaves the question, though, of how to save a sinking bank, something that would devastate the economy. (Although one has to assume that by the time a Canadian bank started sinking, the economy would already be in a nightmare.)

As things currently stand, if a big-six bank began to fail its shares would tank, and investors would lose everything. A run would begin, and the bank would flounder, desperate for capital. Credit markets would also likely freeze.

Without government intervention, the bank would be placed in receivership, and its bondholders would carve up what would be left of the bank's assets.

What Ottawa intends to propose — the concept has been discussed for a few years now in the rarefied circles of monetary experts — is the creation of a new type of higher-risk bank bond known as "contingent capital."

The bondholder would enjoy a higher-than-normal return, maybe even a much higher-than-normal return.

But it would be understood that in the event of a threatened failure, the bond would be converted to shares, meaning potentially a total loss for the bondholder, and a source of capital for the bank.

Think of it as a kind of pre-approved loan for the bank itself.

Trust in government
In a speech, Mark Carney, Canada's departing central banker, has called publicly for just such a system.

At TD Canada Trust, Alexander says this kind of system would make the banks stronger.

But he also notes that many Canadians believe, mistakenly, that their RRSPs and other holdings are safe and insured, too, up to the $100,000 threshold.

They don't often realize that government bonds as well as stocks and mutual funds are among the investments that don't qualify for CDIC insurance.

As to whether small, insured deposits are safe in the event of a failure, that boils down to a question of trust in government.

Christine Lagarde, head of the IMF, was prepared to seize a portion of all deposits in Cyprus. So was the European Central Bank, and so were Europe's finance ministers.

Holland's finance minister, who led the euro-group effort, later "clarified," his statement about seizing deposits elsewhere, saying that Cyprus was clearly a "one-off" event.

But then so, supposedly, was the massive haircut imposed on the unfortunate holders of Greek sovereign bonds last year.

The fact is, if Ottawa is seriously contemplating the failure of a Canadian bank, ordinary Canadians might want to do the same, and govern themselves accordingly.
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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #151548
04/04/13 10:46 AM
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Now not only in Canada that the ground is prepared for a Cyprus "Bail-Ins" style of bailing out the already severely Bankrupted Banks, but in the UK and US as found in their new policies found in the joint FDIC and BOE resolution document :http://www.fdic.gov/about/srac/2012/gsifi.pdf

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FDIC & Bank of England Create Resolution Authority for Unlimited Cyprus-Style “Bail-Ins” for TBTF Banks!

http://silverdoctors.com/fdic-bank-of-en...for-tbtf-banks/

"On Wednesday, SD[Silver Doctor] broke the news that Canada had buried a provision for depositor bail-ins for systemically important banks deep inside its official 2013 budget, and stated that the Cypriot bail-in was not just a one-off event, but is in fact the new collapse template for the entire Western banking system.

We suspected that the same policy change had been made by the US & the UK, but was simply yet to be discovered, buried in the website of a Federal agency.

We suspected correctly…

In the introduction, the resolution informs readers that the FDIC and the Bank of England have been working together to formulate the new bail-in model for future bank failures:

Quote:
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and the Bank of England—together with the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and the Financial Services Authority— have been working to develop resolution strategies for the failure of globally active, systemically important, financial institutions (SIFIs or G-SIFIs) with significant operations on both sides of the Atlantic.
The goal is to produce resolution strategies that could be implemented for the failure of one or more of the largest financial institutions with extensive activities in our respective jurisdictions. These resolution strategies should maintain systemically important operations and contain threats to financial stability. They should also assign losses to shareholders and unsecured creditors in the group, thereby avoiding the need for a bailout by taxpayers.

The joint US/UK resolution states that depositor haircuts are already legal in the UK thanks to the 2009 UK Banking Act:

Quote:
In the U.K., the strategy has been developed on the basis of the powers provided by the U.K. Banking Act 2009 and in anticipation of the further powers that will be provided by the European Union Recovery and Resolution Directive and the domestic reforms that implement the recommendations of the U.K. Independent Commission on Banking. Such a strategy would involve the bail-in (write-down or conversion) of creditors at the top of the group in order to restore the whole group to solvency.

And that the legal authority has already been given in the US buried in Dodd-Frank:

Quote:
It should be stressed that the application of such a strategy can be achieved only within a legislative framework that provides authorities with key resolution powers. The FSB Key Attributes have established a crucial framework for the implementation of an effective set of resolution powers and practices into national regimes. In the U.S., these powers had already become available under the Dodd-Frank Act. In the U.K., the additional powers needed to enhance the existing resolution framework established under the Banking Act 2009(the Banking Act) are expected to be fully provided by the European Commission’s proposals for a European Union Recovery and Resolution Directive (RRD) and through the domestic reforms that implement the recommendations of the U.K. Independent Commission on Banking (ICB), enhancing the existing
resolution framework established under the Banking Act.
The development of effective resolution strategies is being carried out in anticipation of such legislation.
The unsecured debt holders can expect that their claims would be written down to reflect any losses that shareholders cannot cover, with some converted partly into equity in order to provide sufficient capital to return the sound businesses of the G-SIFI to private sector operation. Sound subsidiaries (domestic and foreign) would be kept open and operating, thereby limiting contagion effects and cross-border complications. In both countries, whether during execution of the resolution or thereafter, restructuring measures may be taken, especially in the parts of the business causing the distress, including shrinking those businesses, breaking them into smaller entities, and/or liquidating or closing certain operations.

The resolution states that while the US would prefer large financial institutions be resolved through ordinary bankruptcy, depositor wealth confiscation will be pursued in the case of a systemically important institution (i.e. BOA, JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs, etc):

As demonstrated by the Title I requirement of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010 (Dodd-Frank Act), the U.S. would prefer that large
financial organizations be resolvable through ordinary bankruptcy. However, the U.S. bankruptcy process may not be able to handle the failure of a systemic financial institution without significant disruption to the financial system.

The resolution authority states that shareholders would lose all value prior to depositor scalpings:

Quote:
Under the strategies currently being developed by the U.S. and the U.K., the resolution authority could intervene at the top of the group. Culpable senior management of
the parent and operating businesses would be removed, and losses would be apportioned to shareholders and unsecured creditors. In all likelihood, shareholders would lose all value and unsecured creditors should thus expect that their claims would be written down to reflect any losses that shareholders did not cover.
Under both the U.S. and U.K. approaches, legal safeguards ensure that creditors recover no less than they would under insolvency.

The banksters plans for a bail-in resolution agency include investment banks and clearing houses as well as deposit bearing institutions!!!

Quote:
The introduction of a statutory bail-in resolution tool (the power to writedown or convert into equity the liabilities of a failing firm) under the RRD is critical to implementing a whole group resolution of U.K. firms in a way that reduces the risks to financial stability. A bail-in tool would enable the U.K. authorities to recapitalize an institution by allocating losses to its shareholders and unsecured creditors, thereby avoiding the need to split or transfer operating entities. The provisions in the RRD that
enable the resolution authority to impose a temporary stay on the exercise of termination rights by counterparties in the event of a firm’s entry into resolution (in other words, preventing counterparties from terminating their contractual arrangements with a firm solely as a result of the firm’s entry into resolution) will be needed to ensure the bail-in is executed in an orderly manner.

The existing Banking Act does not cover nondeposit-taking financial firms, notably investment banks and financial market infrastructures (clearing houses in particular), the failure of which, in many cases, would also have significant financial stability consequences. The Banking Act also has limitations with regard to the application of resolution tools to financial holding companies. The U.K. is in the process of expanding the scope of the Banking Act to include these firms. This is expected to be achieved through the introduction of the U.K. Financial Services Bill, which is due to complete its passage through Parliament by the end of this year.

Exactly as played out with the Cyprus template, depositors will receive equity shares in the new, bailed-in institution:

Quote:
The remaining claims of the debt holders will be converted, in part, into equity claims that will serve to capitalize the new operations. The debt holders may also receive convertible subordinated debt in the new operations. This debt would provide a cushion against further losses in the firm, as it can be converted into equity if needed. Any

remaining claims of the debt holders could be transferred to the new operations in the form of new unsecured debt.



Exactly as played out with the Cyprus template, depositor funds will be stolen in whatever quantities are required to keep the TBTF zombie bank afloat:

Quote:
Once the recapitalization requirement has been determined, an announcement of the final terms of the bail-in would be made to the previous security holders.

This announcement would include full details of the write-down and/or conversion.
Debt securities would be cancelled or written down in order to return the firm to solvency by reducing the level of outstanding liabilities. The losses would be applied up the firm’s capital structure in a process that respects the existing creditor hierarchy underinsolvency law. The value of any loans from the parent to its operating subsidiaries would be written down in a manner that ensures that the subsidiaries remain solvent and viable.


For now (until the rules are changed when a greater need for funds arises, funds will only be stolen from depositors with more than the FDIC insured $100,000 in their account:

Quote:
Insofar as a bail-in provides for continuity in operations and preserves value, losses to a deposit guarantee scheme in a bail-in should be much lower than in liquidation.

Insured depositors themselves would remain unaffected. Uninsured deposits would be treated in line with other similarly ranked liabilities in the resolution process, with the expectation that they might be written down.

In order for the resolution to work, the banksters state that the public must be convinced their deposits are safe, when in fact they are subject to bail-in confiscation:

Quote:
Similarly, because the group remains solvent, retail or corporate depositors should not have an incentive to “run” from the firm under resolution insofar as their banking
arrangements, transacted at the operating company level, remain unaffected. In order to achieve this, the authorities recognize the need for effective communication to depositors, making it clear that their deposits will be protected.

0.1% interest on savings deposits with the now VERY REAL THREAT OF COMPLETE CONFISCATION in the US & UK doesn’t sound like such a great return to us.

The Fed appears to be making a calculated play to force savings out of the TBTF banks and into stocks and real estate, a move that is likely to backfire spectacularly.

GOT PHYZZ??"

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Here's the full joint FDIC and BOE resolution document : http://www.fdic.gov/about/srac/2012/gsifi.pdf


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #151564
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Mystery(secret) Babylon is being exposed!!!

Wikileaks has exposed 2.5 millioin secret files(emails and monetary transfers) to the media. It appears that thousands of secret offshore bank accounts held by the politicians, lawyers, mega compagnies, ultra rich, con men, bankers, countries leaders, etc... totalling as much as $32 TRILLION.

2.5 million secret bank files leaked, exposing Offshore Global Impact

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/offshore-companies-politicians_n_3008426.html

Dozens of journalists sifted through millions of leaked records and thousands of names to produce ICIJ’s[International Consortium of Investigative Journalists
] investigation into offshore secrecy


A cache of 2.5 million files has cracked open the secrets of more than 120,000 offshore companies and trusts, exposing hidden dealings of politicians, con men and the mega-rich the world over.

The secret records obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists lay bare the names behind covert companies and private trusts in the British Virgin Islands, the Cook Islands and other offshore hideaways.

They include American doctors and dentists and middle-class Greek villagers as well as families and associates of long-time despots, Wall Street swindlers, Eastern European and Indonesian billionaires, Russian corporate executives, international arms dealers and a sham-director-fronted company that the European Union has labeled as a cog in Iran’s nuclear-development program.

The leaked files provide facts and figures — cash transfers, incorporation dates, links between companies and individuals — that illustrate how offshore financial secrecy has spread aggressively around the globe, allowing the wealthy and the well-connected to dodge taxes and fueling corruption and economic woes in rich and poor nations alike. The records detail the offshore holdings of people and companies in more than 170 countries and territories.

The hoard of documents represents the biggest stockpile of inside information about the offshore system ever obtained by a media organization. The total size of the files, measured in gigabytes, is more than 160 times larger than the leak of U.S. State Department documents by Wikileaks in 2010.

To analyze the documents, ICIJ collaborated with reporters from The Guardian and the BBC in the U.K., Le Monde in France, Süddeutsche Zeitung and Norddeutscher Rundfunk in Germany, The Washington Post, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) and 31 other media partners around the world.

Eighty-six journalists from 46 countries used high-tech data crunching and shoe-leather reporting to sift through emails, account ledgers and other files covering nearly 30 years.

“I’ve never seen anything like this. This secret world has finally been revealed,” said Arthur Cockfield, a law professor and tax expert at Queen’s University in Canada, who reviewed some of the documents during an interview with the CBC. He said the documents remind him of the scene in the movie classic The Wizard of Oz in which “they pull back the curtain and you see the wizard operating this secret machine.”

Mobsters and Oligarchs
The vast flow of offshore money — legal and illegal, personal and corporate — can roil economies and pit nations against each other. Europe’s continuing financial crisis has been fueled by a Greek fiscal disaster exacerbated by offshore tax cheating and by a banking meltdown in the tiny tax haven of Cyprus, where local banks’ assets have been inflated by waves of cash from Russia.

Anti-corruption campaigners argue that offshore secrecy undermines law and order and forces average citizens to pay higher taxes to make up for revenues that vanish offshore. Studies have estimated that cross-border flows of global proceeds of financial crimes total between $1 trillion and $1.6 trillion a year.

ICIJ’s 15-month investigation found that, alongside perfectly legal transactions, the secrecy and lax oversight offered by the offshore world allows fraud, tax dodging and political corruption to thrive.

Offshore patrons identified in the documents include:

• Individuals and companies linked to Russia’s Magnitsky Affair, a tax fraud scandal that has strained U.S.-Russia relations and led to a ban on Americans adopting Russian orphans.

• A Venezuelan deal maker accused of using offshore entities to bankroll a U.S.-based Ponzi scheme and funneling millions of dollars in bribes to a Venezuelan government official.

• A corporate mogul who won billions of dollars in contracts amid Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev’s massive construction boom even as he served as a director of secrecy-shrouded offshore companies owned by the president’s daughters.

• Indonesian billionaires with ties to the late dictator Suharto, who enriched a circle of elites during his decades in power.

The documents also provide possible new clues to crimes and money trails that have gone cold.

After learning ICIJ had identified the eldest daughter of the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos, Maria Imelda Marcos Manotoc, as a beneficiary of a British Virgin Islands (BVI) trust, Philippine officials said they were eager to find out whether any assets in the trust are part of the estimated $5 billion her father amassed through corruption.

Manotoc, a provincial governor in the Philippines, declined to answer a series of questions about the trust.

Politically connected wealth
The files obtained by ICIJ shine a light on the day-to-day tactics that offshore services firms and their clients use to keep offshore companies, trusts and their owners under cover.

Tony Merchant, one of Canada’s top class-action lawyers, took extra steps to maintain the privacy of a Cook Islands trust that he’d stocked with more than $1 million in 1998, the documents show.

In a filing to Canadian tax authorities, Merchant checked “no” when asked if he had foreign assets of more than $100,000 in 1999, court records show.

Between 2002 and 2009, he often paid his fees to maintain the trust by sending thousands of dollars in cash and traveler’s checks stuffed into envelopes rather than using easier-to-trace bank checks or wire transfers, according to documents from the offshore services firm that oversaw the trust for him.

One file note warned the firm’s staffers that Merchant would “have a st[r]oke” if they tried to communicate with him by fax.

It is unclear whether his wife, Pana Merchant, a Canadian senator, declared her personal interest in the trust on annual financial disclosure forms. Under legislative rules, she had to disclose every year to the Senate’s ethics commissioner that she was a beneficiary of the trust, but the information was confidential.

The Merchants declined requests for comment.
Other high profile names identified in the offshore data include the wife of Russia’s deputy prime minister, Igor Shuvalov, and two top executives with Gazprom, the Russian government-owned corporate behemoth that is the world’s largest extractor of natural gas.

Shuvalov’s wife and the Gazprom officials had stakes in BVI companies, documents show. All three declined comment.

In a neighboring land, the deputy speaker of Mongolia’s Parliament said he was considering resigning from office after ICIJ questioned him about records showing he has an offshore company and a secret Swiss bank account.

“I shouldn’t have opened that account,” Bayartsogt Sangajav, who has also served as his country’s finance minister, said. “I probably should consider resigning from my position.”

Bayartsogt said his Swiss account at one point contained more than $1 million, but most of the money belonged to what he described as “business friends” he had joined in investing in international stocks.

He acknowledged that he hasn’t officially declared his BVI company or the Swiss account in Mongolia, but he said he didn’t avoid taxes because the investments didn’t produce income.

“I should have included the company in my declarations,” he said.

Wealthy Clients
The documents also show how the mega-rich use complex offshore structures to own mansions, art and other assets, gaining tax advantages and anonymity not available to average people.

Spanish names include a baroness and famed art patron, Carmen Thyssen-Bornemisza, who is identified in the documents using a company in the Cook Islands to buy artwork through auction houses such as Sotheby’s and Christie’s, including Van Gogh’s Water Mill at Gennep. Her attorney acknowledged that she gains tax benefits by holding ownership of her art offshore, but stressed that she uses tax havens primarily because they give her “maximum flexibility” when she moves art from country to country.

Among nearly 4,000 American names is Denise Rich, a Grammy-nominated songwriter whose ex-husband was at the center of an American pardon scandal that erupted as President Bill Clinton left office.

A Congressional investigation found that Rich, who raised millions of dollars for Democratic politicians, played a key role in the campaign that persuaded Clinton to pardon her ex-spouse, Marc Rich, an oil trader who had been wanted in the U.S. on tax evasion and racketeering charges.

Records obtained by ICIJ show she had $144 million in April 2006 in a trust in the Cook Islands, a chain of coral atolls and volcanic outcroppings nearly 7,000 miles from her home at the time in Manhattan. The trust’s holdings included a yacht called the Lady Joy, where Rich often entertained celebrities and raised money for charity.

Rich, who gave up her U.S. citizenship in 2011 and now maintains citizenship in Austria, did not reply to questions about her offshore trust.

Another prominent American in the files who gave up his citizenship is a member of the Mellon dynasty, which started landmark companies such as Gulf Oil and Mellon Bank. James R. Mellon – an author of books about Abraham Lincoln and his family’s founding patriarch, Thomas Mellon – used four companies in the BVI and Lichtenstein to trade securities and transfer tens of millions of dollars among offshore bank accounts he controlled.

Like many offshore players, Mellon appears to have taken steps to distance himself from his offshore interests, the documents show. He often used third parties’ names as directors and shareholders of his companies rather than his own, a legal tool that owners of offshore entities often use to preserve anonymity.

Reached in Italy where lives part of the year, Mellon told ICIJ that, in fact, he used to own “a whole bunch” of offshore companies but has disposed of all of them. He said he set up the firms for “tax advantage” and liability reasons, as advised by his lawyer. “But I have never broken the tax law.”

Of the use of nominees Mellon said that “that’s the way these firms are set up,” and added that it’s useful for people like him who travel a lot to have somebody else in charge of his businesses. “I just heard of a presidential candidate who had a lot of money in the Cayman Islands,” Mellon, now a British national, said alluding to former U.S. presidential candidate Mitt Romney. “Not everyone who owns offshores is a crook.”

Offshore growth
The anonymity of the offshore world makes it difficult to track the flow of money. A study by James S. Henry, former chief economist at McKinsey & Company, estimates that wealthy individuals have $21 trillion to $32 trillion in private financial wealth tucked away in offshore havens — roughly equivalent to the size of the U.S. and Japanese economies combined.

Even as the world economy has stumbled, the offshore world has continued to grow, said Henry, who is a board member of the Tax Justice Network, an international research and advocacy group that is critical of offshore havens. His research shows, for example, that assets managed by the world’s 50 largest “private banks” — which often use offshore havens to serve their “high net worth” customers — grew from $5.4 trillion in 2005 to more than $12 trillion in 2010.

Henry and other critics argue that offshore secrecy has a corrosive effect on governments and legal systems, allowing crooked officials to loot national treasuries and providing cover to human smugglers, mobsters, animal poachers and other exploiters.

Offshore’s defenders counter that most offshore patrons are engaged in legitimate transactions. Offshore centers, they say, allow companies and individuals to diversify their investments, forge commercial alliances across national borders and do business in entrepreneur-friendly zones that eschew the heavy rules and red tape of the onshore world.

“Everything is much more geared toward business,” David Marchant, publisher of OffshoreAlert, an online news journal, said. “If you’re dishonest you can take advantage of that in a bad way. But if you’re honest you can take advantage of that in a good way.”

Much of ICIJ’s reporting focused on the work of two offshore firms, Singapore-based Portcullis TrustNet and BVI-based Commonwealth Trust Limited (CTL), which have helped tens of thousands of people set up offshore companies and trusts and hard-to-trace bank accounts.

Regulators in the BVI found that CTL repeatedly violated the islands’ anti-money-laundering laws between 2003 and 2008 by failing to verify and record its clients’ identities and backgrounds. “This particular firm had systemic money laundering issues within their organization,” an official with the BVI’s Financial Services Commission said last year.

The documents show, for example, that CTL set up 31 companies in 2006 and 2007 for an individual later identified in U.K. court claims as a front man for Mukhtar Ablyazov, a Kazakh banking tycoon who has been accused of stealing $5 billion from one of the former Russian republic’s largest banks. Ablyazov denies wrongdoing.

Thomas Ward, a Canadian who co-founded CTL in 1994 and continues to work as a consultant to the firm, said CTL’s client-vetting procedures have been consistent with industry standards in the BVI, but that no amount of screening can ensure that firms such as CTL won’t be “duped by dishonest clients” or sign on “someone who appears, to all historical examination, to be honest” but “later turns to something dishonest.”

“It is wrong, though perhaps convenient, to demonize CTL as by far the major problem area,” Ward said in a written response to questions. “Rather I believe that CTL’s problems were, by and large, directly proportional to its market share.”

ICIJ’s review of TrustNet documents identified 30 American clients accused in lawsuits or criminal cases of fraud, money laundering or other serious financial misconduct. They include ex-Wall Street titans Paul Bilzerian, a corporate raider who was convicted of tax fraud and securities violations in 1989, and Raj Rajaratnam, a billionaire hedge fund manager who was sent to prison in 2011 in one of the biggest insider trading scandals in U.S. history.

TrustNet declined to answer a series of questions for this article.

Blacklisted
The records obtained by ICIJ expose how offshore operatives help their customers weave elaborate financial structures that span countries, continents and hemispheres.

A Thai government official with links to an infamous African dictator used Singapore-based TrustNet to set up a secret company for herself in the BVI, the records show.

The Thai official, Nalinee “Joy” Taveesin, is currently Thailand’s international trade representative. She served as a cabinet minister for Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra before stepping down last year.

Taveesin acquired her BVI company in August 2008. That was seven months after she’d been appointed an advisor to Thailand’s commerce minister — and three months before the U.S. Department of Treasury blacklisted her as a “crony” of Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe.

The Treasury Department froze her U.S. assets, accusing her of “secretly supporting the kleptocratic practices of one of Africa’s most corrupt regimes” through gem trafficking and other deals made on behalf of Mugabe’s wife, Grace, and other powerful Zimbabweans.

Taveesin has said her relationship with the Mugabes is “strictly social” and that the U.S. blacklisting is a case of guilt by association. Through her secretary, Taveesin flatly denied that she owns the BVI company. ICIJ verified her ownership using TrustNet records that listed her and her brother as shareholders of the company and include the main address in Bangkok for her onshore business ventures.

Records obtained by ICIJ also reveal a secret company belonging to Muller Conrad “Billy” Rautenbach, a Zimbabwean businessman who was blacklisted by the U.S. for his ties to the Mugabe regime at the same time as Taveesin. The Treasury Department said Rautenbach has helped organize huge mining projects in Zimbabwe that “benefit a small number of corrupt senior officials.”

When CTL set Rautenbach up with a BVI company in 2006 he was a fugitive, fleeing fraud allegations in South Africa. The charges lodged personally against him were dismissed, but a South African company he controlled pleaded guilty to criminal charges and paid a fine of roughly $4 million.

Rautenbach denies U.S. authorities’ allegations, contending that they made “significant factual and legal errors” in their blacklisting decision, his attorney, Ian Small Smith, said. Smith said Rautenbach’s BVI company was set up as “special purpose vehicle for investment in Moscow” and that it complied with all disclosure regulations. The company is no longer active.

‘One Stop Shop’
Offshore’s customers are served by a well-paid industry of middlemen, accountants, lawyers and banks that provide cover, set up financial structures and shuffle assets on their clients’ behalf.

Documents obtained by ICIJ show how two top Swiss banks, UBS and Clariden, worked with TrustNet to provide their customers with secrecy-shielded companies in the BVI and other offshore centers.

Clariden, owned by Credit Suisse, sought such high levels of confidentiality for some clients, the records show, that a TrustNet official described the bank’s request as the “the Holy Grail” of offshore entities — a company so anonymous that police and regulators would be “met with a blank wall” if they tried to discover the owners’ identities.

Clariden declined to answer questions about its relationship with TrustNet.

“Because of Swiss banking secrecy laws, we are not allowed to provide any information about existing or supposed accountholders,” the bank said. “As a general rule, Credit Suisse and its related companies respect all the laws and regulations in the countries in which they are involved.”

A spokesperson for UBS said the bank applies “the highest international standards” to fight money laundering, and that TrustNet “is one of over 800 service providers globally which UBS clients choose to work with to provide for their wealth and succession planning needs. These service providers are also used by clients of other banks.”

TrustNet describes itself as a “one-stop shop” — its staff includes lawyers, accountants and other experts who can shape secrecy packages to fit the needs and net worths of its clients. These packages can be simple and cheap, such as a company chartered in the BVI. Or they can be sophisticated structures that weave together multiple layers of trusts, companies, foundations, insurance products and so-called “nominee” directors and shareholders.

When they create companies for their clients, offshore services firms often appoint faux directors and shareholders — proxies who serve as stand-ins when the real owners of companies don’t want their identities known. Thanks to the proliferation of proxy directors and shareholders, investigators tracking money laundering and other crimes often hit dead ends when they try to uncover who is really behind offshore companies.

An analysis by ICIJ, the BBC and The Guardian identified a cluster of 28 “sham directors” who served as the on-paper representatives of more than 21,000 companies between them, with individual directors representing as many 4,000 companies each.

Among the front men identified in the documents obtained by ICIJ is a U.K.-based operative who served as a director for a BVI company, Tamalaris Consolidated Limited, which the European Union has labeled as a front company for the Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Line. The E.U., the U.N. and the U.S. have accused IRISL of aiding Iran’s nuclear-development program.

‘Zone of Impunity’
International groups have been working for decades to limit tax cheating and corruption in the offshore world.

In the 1990s, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development began pushing offshore centers to reduce secrecy and get tougher on money laundering, but the effort ebbed in the 2000s. Another push against tax havens began when U.S. authorities took on UBS, forcing the Swiss bank to pay $780 million in 2009 to settle allegations that it had helped Americans dodge taxes. U.S. and German authorities have pressured banks and governments to share information about offshore clients and accounts and UK Prime Minister David Cameron has vowed to use his leadership of the G8, a forum of the world’s richest nations, to help crack down on tax evasion and money laundering.

Promises like those have been met with skepticism, given the role played by key G8 members — the U.S., the U.K. and Russia — as sources and destinations of dirty money. Despite the new efforts, offshore remains a “zone of impunity” for anyone determined to commit financial crimes, said Jack Blum, a former U.S. Senate investigator who is now a lawyer specializing in money laundering and tax fraud cases.

“Periodically, the stench gets so bad somebody has to get out there and clap the lid on the garbage can and sit on it for a while,” Blum said. “There’s been some progress, but there’s a bloody long way to go.”


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #152094
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The Last Great Gold-Silver Slam
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2013/04-2013/the-last-great-gold-silver-slam/
April 15, 2013

Last Thursday someone put out a fake report that Cyprus was about to sell its gold to pay off debts, worth about 563 million euros.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/04/11/uk-cyprus-gold-idUKBRE93A0DP20130411

Although the central bank of Cyprus denied the report, they did not have sufficient credibility to convince people that they were telling the truth.

http://www.ibtimes.com/cyprus-denies-rum...her-struggling#

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"A Central Bank of Cyprus spokesperson said Wednesday that rumors stating that it would sell 75 percent (approximately 10 tons or $523 million) of its gold were inaccurately reported by Reuters."

This gave the gold market the jitters, because the more gold is sold, the more the price drops. Then on Friday some large gold manipulator actually put 124 tons of gold on the market for sale, which slammed the price down below $1500/oz.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/massive-2...nfounded-panic/

Reports suggest that a futures sell order worth $6 billion, equal to 4 million ounces or 124.4 tonnes of gold, by a large investment bank sent prices plummeting and spooked the markets contributing to the decline. The order was believed to have been placed through Merrill Lynch’s brokerage team.

The futures market then saw a further wave of selling of contracts worth some $15 billion, equivalent to 10 million ounces of selling or 300 tonnes, in just 35 minutes.

http://bullmarketthinking.com/gold-trade...physical-metal/

Following Friday’s panic sell-off in gold, one of the world’s top gold traders and recent interview guest, Gary Savage, shared some powerful commentary on what the smart money is doing in the market right now.

Gary said,
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”Let me be clear. Just because we got a max ‘Blees’ rating and a large ‘Buying On Weakness’ (BoW) number Friday doesn’t mean the bottom [actually] occurred [on] Friday. It almost certainly didn’t. Margin calls are going out Monday morning.


He is saying that many investors who buy on margin will lose what they have put down as a downpayment in their purchases of (paper) gold futures. And so they will be required to sell their purchases at a loss, because they don't have enough money in the account to keep up with the dropping gold prices. This, in turn, just puts more gold on the market, as people are forced to sell more and more of their gold by the hour.

This only increases the pace of the drop in the price of gold. As the price drops, more and more margin calls occur, and more and more people are forced to sell their paper contracts at a loss. It is like a snowball rolling down a hill, increasing in size until it hits the bottom.

That is what is happening today. The price of gold has dropped another 8% (as I write) to $1358/oz. No one knows where it will close today.

Silver has dropped as well, as it usually sympathizes with gold. Silver is down more than 11% to $22.91/oz.

I have long talked about the big banks that have been manipulating the price of gold and silver downward in order to make paper currencies look better. They do this by shorting the market, i.e., selling paper contracts as if they had a lot of gold to sell. But in recent months, their short sales have been in danger of being blown out of the water by a huge rise in the price of gold and silver. It appears that they have finally decided to do something to slam the price way down, so that they can cover their shorts at a profit, and then start buying gold at bargain prices. That way they will make huge profits as the price goes up to $2000 or beyond.

The only real losers here are those who have bought paper instead of the real physical stuff. Those who have bought physical gold and silver have nothing to worry about. In fact, all this does is provide people with a tremendous opportunity to buy at bargain prices. Gary Savage continues,

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So if you are holding, don’t freak out on Monday morning if gold is down again. It almost certainly will be. But if this was an artificial event, and I’m confident it was, then once it’s finished gold is going much, much higher. The big players that created the event don’t do so to sit in a stagnate market. They do so because they know the manipulation has ended and there are big gains ahead as the secular trends resume with a vengeance.”


When we look at how these prices got slammed, first with a false rumor about Cyprus, followed by a huge actual sale by some big investment bank or fund, it seems quite obvious that this is "an artificial event." In other words, the prices will likely go back up as fast as they have gone down, and those who understand the reason for this volatility are likely to make quite a lot of money. Especially the manipulators, who know how to regularly fleece those who buy paper gold. Manipulators also know when the price will go back up, because they are the cause of such volatility in the first place, so they will make money both ways, first when the market goes down, and then when the market goes up.

There were astute people who predicted this very thing over the past few years. They said this would happen just before the end, when the price of gold would rise to $5000 and silver to $200. Perhaps we are nearing that end.

I have believed for many years that when the price of silver shoots past $50/oz, it will mark the prophetic end of head of gold and the conquest by the arms of silver. This present volatility puts me on alert that we could easily see the price rise from $20 to $50 in a very short period of time. If that happens, it is doubtful if the price of silver will stop at $50. Bargain prices will come to an end at that point, and the global reset will be upon us.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #152095
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The Silver Shortage
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2013/04-2013/the-silver-shortage/
April 16,

The recent plunge in silver prices seems to be causing a rift between the spot price of silver and the actual price of physical silver. Even though the spot price plunged Friday and Monday, a lot of people have bought a lot of physical silver at bargain prices. The result is that the largest supplier of silver at the COMEX has completely run out of silver.

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/297296#comment-297296

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*BREAKING
CNT, one of the largest wholesale suppliers in the US, who is the supplier of gold blanks to the US Mint for Gold Eagles, and is a registered COMEX depository, HAS JUST SOLD OUT OF ALL PHYSICAL SILVER!!!

In the face of an EPIC TSUNAMI of gold and silver sales today as the cartel hammered the price of silver down over 11%, and off $6 from Friday’s open, we have just been informed at SDBullion upon trying to place a large inventory order that CNT is SOLD OUT OF EVERY LAST OUNCE OF PHYSICAL SILVER!!!

At the same time, a huge open pit silver mine in Utah has experienced a landslide, closing operations for months.

http://silverdoctors.com/10-of-us-annual-silver-supply-just-vaporized/

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5 million ounces of annual silver supply and 500,000 ounces of annual gold supply have just been vaporized landslided. Rio Tinto’s Kennecott mine in Utah- the US’ 2nd largest silver mine and world’s largest copper mine has just suffered a massive landslide which will likely shut down production at the mine for years as upwards of 1 billion tons of dirt and ore have collapsed into the basin.

16% of US annual silver production just vanished. Good thing there aren’t any physical supply issues in silver currently or anything…


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #152096
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Has the endgame begun?
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2013/04-2013/has-the-endgame-begun/
April 23, 2013

"The recent drop in silver and gold prices have resulted in a tremendous increase in demand for physical metal. Under normal circumstances, high demand would bring higher prices, but these are not normal circumstances. This is a case of big banks helping the Fed manipulate the price of gold and silver downward in order to make the dollar look stronger.

But the underlying problem is that the dollar is weak and getting weaker each month as the Fed creates another $85 billion out of nothing. That’s just the figure that they admit openly.

It may be that the price of metals will continue to drop. Some say the price of gold may drop to $1000 or even lower. But keep in mind that this is only the price of a piece of paper or an electronic entry. It is not the price of actual gold, unless a seller is really willing to part with his physical gold for that price.

Premiums are getting higher and higher. A premium is the difference between the spot price and the actual price that the buyer has to pay from a dealer. I remember back in 2003, when I first bought some silver, the premium was just 15 cents. Then it was 50 cents. Then a dollar. Two weeks ago it was $3.00 at the same coin dealer. But now, the dealer tells me that his big supplier is charging an $8 premium, and, of course, the dealer has to charge a few dollars himself to make a profit. That is an $11 premium right now.

This is confirmed here:

http://investmentwatchblog.com/physical-gold-silver-shortages-are-accelerating-premiums-exploding/

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“Gold and Silver shortages are increasing. However the current spot for paper silver is around $23USD. However, PREMIUMS are at $10 or higher per coin.

“The paper market price and the physical price are starting to decouple. This is going to be fun to watch.

“Hang onto your physical if you have any as this circus is just getting started. These are ebay links. My coin shop in my town does not have any of these coins available at the moment.”

Why? It is because in spite of the drop in the spot price, silver is becoming so scarce that it is difficult to find any for sale any more. A friend of mine recently bought a box of silver eagles, and the dealer told him that it was the last box of silver eagles on the West Coast.

Another man I know placed an order for 60 silver eagles, but was told that it might take weeks to get the order filled. In fact, he said, ALL FORMS OF SILVER were now in tight supply, and any orders would be delayed indefinitely.

This is why premiums are going through the roof. It is because the supply of silver is so tight.

And yet the price of silver continues to go down??? Can you smell Manipulation?

Read more here:

http://investmentwatchblog.com/physical-...36QPIfVdFpTt.99

Even gold, pricey as it is, is in short supply. I reported a few weeks ago that AMRO, the huge European bank, has now refused to give people gold that they had ordered by contract. Before that, when Germany wanted the Fed to ship them their gold that the Fed had been storing for them, they were told that it would be shipped over a period of seven years.

Seven years? There is no reason for that--unless the Fed no longer has it in the vault.

Other people are now reporting the same. Jim Sinclair just reported that a friend of his wanted his gold where he had been storing it in a large Swiss bank. The bank refused to give it to him, telling him he had to take cash instead. Cash? The whole idea behind owning gold is to get it out of cash. In essence, the bank was demanding that the gold owner sell his told to the bank! For cash. At the manipulated low price. Sinclair continued:
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/4/23_Sinclair_-_Swiss_Bank_Just_Refused_To_Give_My_Friend_His_Gold.html
Originally Posted By: Sinclair
“The vicious and blatant manipulation of the gold price (lower) via paper, on Friday and on Monday, may very well be the biggest mistake that the manipulators ever conceived of. I firmly believe it revealed that the price of gold has nothing to do with gold itself.

But I would add that if in fact the physical demand remains at these levels or even increases as the price of gold rises, I believe that the warehouses for the exchanges will be so significantly drawn down that it will force cash settlement.

The bottom line here is the paper market for gold may have just lit itself on fire, and served to burn the manipulators’ houses to the ground. You’ve heard of the phrase, ‘The emperor has no clothes.’ Well, this is infinitely worse because it is finally being revealed that the paper market for gold, in fact, has no gold.”

India and China are buying gold as fast as they can. If anyone is willing to sell them gold at such ridiculous prices, they are ready buyers. China has already imported 1000 tons of gold this year. Gold shops in India are having a difficult time keeping up with demand.

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/4/22_Maguire_-_Gold_Deliveries_Into_China_Soar_To_1,000_Tons.html

Given the fact that the silver/gold manipulators can sell virtually any quantity that they wish—in the form of paper contracts—they can always overwhelm every seller and drive the spot price down to zero. They are too big to fail in this way, too. But all they are really doing is separating the industry into two distinct markets: the paper market and the physical market. At some point the paper market will be irrelevant to the physical market.

In other words, if the spot price of gold were to go down to zero, the dealers would simply demand a $2000 premium for any gold that they sell.

If the spot price for silver went down to zero, the dealers would just have a $30 premium (or more) on any sale of physical silver. Rising premiums are simply filling in the price gap.

Some people think the price will continue to drop, and so they are going to wait a few more weeks to buy physical silver or gold. They will probably discover that there is no available silver or gold anywhere near that price. The best they can do is go online and purchase paper contracts, which will then have to be cashed out in US dollars when they come due. Anyone can speculate with paper products, but if you actually want something real, you will have to get it while it is available.

It looks to me like this is the final mother-of-all-manipulations taking place just before the actual price of metal goes through the roof, as the dollar value collapses.

...Two years ago, when silver hit $49.84/oz, the manipulators panicked and raised the margin requirements for those purchasing silver. This meant that buyers were put at a disadvantage over the sellers, and this brought the price back down to the $30 range.

That was a close call, and it shows that the bankers themselves are afraid of crossing the $50 mark for silver. Two years ago, they were able to manipulate the price of real silver by manipulating the price of paper contracts. This time around, it appears that their strategy is failing. Fewer and fewer dealers are willing to part with their real silver for under $30, and as the price drops, the premiums continue to rise.

In other words, the more the price drops, the more it stays the same.

The effect is that the prices end up remaining fairly stable for real silver. Only the paper contracts are dropping in value, because the big manipulators are pretending to sell what they don’t have, while buyers are now discovering that their contracts can only be fulfilled in more US dollars.

When every trader comes to see this, the market will close. The sellers will have nothing to sell, and the buyers will cease to pay gold prices for toilet paper.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #152097
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Originally Posted By: Elle
I have believed for many years that when the price of silver shoots past $50/oz, it will mark the prophetic end of head of gold and the conquest by the arms of silver. This present volatility puts me on alert that we could easily see the price rise from $20 to $50 in a very short period of time. If that happens, it is doubtful if the price of silver will stop at $50. Bargain prices will come to an end at that point, and the global reset will be upon us.

Really?

I thought you were promoting gold as the ultimate investment rather than as one which would end. Now it's silver. What will it be next?

This just goes to show everyone that investing in pavement is a very very bad idea. It has no real worth.

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: kland] #152153
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Elle
I have believed for many years that when the price of silver shoots past $50/oz, it will mark the prophetic end of head of gold and the conquest by the arms of silver. This present volatility puts me on alert that we could easily see the price rise from $20 to $50 in a very short period of time. If that happens, it is doubtful if the price of silver will stop at $50. Bargain prices will come to an end at that point, and the global reset will be upon us.

Really?

I thought you were promoting gold as the ultimate investment rather than as one which would end. Now it's silver. What will it be next?

This just goes to show everyone that investing in pavement is a very very bad idea. It has no real worth.

I'm not understanding your comment despite I understand clearly your intend is only malecious.

The quote above is Stephen Jones' quote. That's his personal revelation(not mine) that once silver reaches the spot quote of $50(Biblical numeral equivalence of Jubilee) then the Lord will correlate that with the fall of the current Babylonian empire. I do not know if this will happen or not as I haven't received any personal revelation of that, so time will tell if Stephen revelation source was the Lord or a product of his own imagination.

Regarding his report of the current financial turmoil is backed with news links and events that is taking place now. I have seen these articles and others myself in the financial and geopolitical news website that I visit daily. So I can attest that his news correlates with the news I've read. I like Stephen's perspective as he views these events with an understanding of the Law and the Prophets by which others do not give.

This growing season, I will find very little time for me to write post. So re-posting news clips or others perspectives like Stephen financial news saved me some time to write my own.
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I thought you were promoting gold as the ultimate investment rather than as one which would end. Now it's silver. What will it be next?

I'm not promoting buying gold or silver...I'm giving a heads up to those who can hear and have savings and retirement funds to re-invest their savings into something that will retain its value before the current Babylonian system crashes completly. Gold or silver is one way to retain your savings value or it can be buying land or whatever the Lord moves you to do. Now with what happened to the market the last 2 weeks, gold and silver is currently very scarce and hard to find in quantity. So alternative investment sources might be the other option left.

The main idea is Babylon is falling...get out of her!. Of course we know of this with an spiritual dimension however it also has an economical application too!

Regardless if you have any savings, or have lossed all your savings, .... there's nothing to fret about for the next kingdom [the Everlasting Stone Kingdom that will grow to cover the whole earth of Daniel 2 ] will be far superior to any of the ancient beastly kingdoms. For sure those that has lost much money during the crash will have to deal with that lost and the fact they ignored all the signs arounds, but once they overcome this bitterness they will be able to rejoice with the others.

This discussion goal is to keep track of the news events of the fall of the current Economical System aka "Mystery Babylon" and the restructuring of the new system.


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and do not necessarily represent those of Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine,
as well as the Seventh-day Adventist Church
from the local church level to the General Conference level.

Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine (formerly Maritime SDA OnLine) is also a self-supporting ministry
and is not part of, or affiliated with, or endorsed by
The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland
or any of its subsidiaries.

"And He saith unto them, follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." Matt. 4:19
MARITIME 2ND ADVENT BELIEVERS ONLINE (FORMERLY MARITIME SDA ONLINE) CONSISTING MAINLY OF BOTH MEMBERS & FRIENDS
OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH,
INVITES OTHER MEMBERS & FRIENDS OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WHO WISHES TO JOIN US!
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