In Ruth 4:7 shows the meaning of the word testimony[t`uwdah]. This word is only used 3 times in the Bible. In Ruth 4:7 define the word which means the manner of keeping the law.

I would like to emphasize the "correct" manner of keeping the law which can mean by keeping the whole law relating to an issue as Boaz was ready to do and wanted to make sure the nearest kinsmen would do if he exercise his right of the nearest kinsmen when they met with the 10 elders to settle the case of redeeming Elimelech & Naomi land. Boaz was ready to fulfill all the law which include the leverite law concerning to Marrying Ruth and producing an son to leave the inheritance to that grandchild of Elimelech & Naomi. This was the correct way to fulfill the law in its entirely. This means that nothing of that inheritance goes to the son of another wife if he had another wife before marrying Ruth.

In Ruth 4:4 we see that the nearest kinsmen was interested to keep portion of the law in redeeming the land but he was not ready to marry Ruth as the whole law demanded.

This is exactly what most denomination do including SDAs when we cherry pick the portion of the law we want and reject the rest. As we see in this story here the Israelites and the Jews were guilty of cherry picking the law too. Plus they twisted the meaning of the law to say things that the Lord never intended to mean, plus adding to the law things that is not there. These all produce "teachings of Men" by which Jesus continually tried to expose during His Ministry by teaching the Law(TORAH).

I would like to know how to convince people tht 'not under the law' means 'not under the PENALTY of the law'..

According to the Torah there are also animal sacrifices, death penalty, ceremonial uncleanliness...

Let's test the "prophets".

Do you sow for six years gathering the fruits thereof? And what size is your vineyard and oliveyard? (You do have them, don't you?)

And on the 7th year (and most of the 8th), do you only eat what it has given you and that you have stored from the 6th year, buying nothing nor relying on no other sources during that time?

And do you live in "booths" made from leafy boughs and palms in October in Canada or do you pilgrimage to Jerusalem?

Do you truly keep the law which you state we should?

I was also thinking about animal sacrifices in relation to the Torah.

Answer that one, Elle.

I think someone should find out just how many 'laws' there are in the Bibie and just which ones are being talked about.

To my understanding the whole Torah (Pentateuch) is law comprising of many many laws that many are still hidden from us as we fail to study it.

For a brief example in Genesis Abraham had two sons. The first, Ishmael -- the wild- donkey man (Gen 16:12), was born via an Egyptian mother. The same with the Lord who called his first son Israel(Ex 4:23; Hos 11:1) out of Egypt who were a wild-donkey natured nation(Jer 2:23,24) that all needed to be redeemed by a lamb(Ex 13:13). It is the same for all of us personally, we were all wild-donkeys before our conversion. This is a law -- difficult to name it, however it is still a law that needs to be fulfill in all of us individuals and nationwide.

Jesus said Mat 5:18"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

This means that all the Torah (Pentateuch) have a prophetic & spiritual dimension and all will be fulfilled.

I have already answered Rosangela this question in another discussion which I don't remember where right now. But I'll answer it again with Kland's post. It may take some time to do this and I'm a little overwhelmed with work right now.

Since I have already answered this questions in several posts and I will answer the posts in relation to my comment when time permits,

I would like to hear your own answer Daryl to this question. Also I would like to hear from Rosangela, Kland and Harold answers too. I think it is only fair that everyone lays down what they believe with Biblical support of course.

What do you(Daryl, Rosangela, Kland, Harold and others) think the Law and the testimony is referring to in Is 8:20?