APL be careful! Take all scriptures into account and do not ignore those that doesn't support what you want to believe. We are all guilty of doing this, however, let's be mindful of the tendencies of the flesh.

Deut 5,6 says the following:
“AV Dt 5:1 . And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

AV Dt 6:1 . Now these [are] the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do [them] in the land whither ye go to possess it:”

AV Dt 6:17 . Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.

AV Dt 6:20 [And] when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What [mean] the testimonies, and the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD our God hath commanded you?

Moses goes on in Deut 5 to repeat what has happened at the foothill of Sinai when the congregation could only bear to hear the Introduction/summary of the covenant

AV Dt 5:24 “And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth. 25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die. 26 For who [is there of] all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we [have], and lived? 27 Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear [it], and do [it].”

There was more to come and the people said to Moses in v.27 to go near the Lord and hear the rest as they vowed “we will hear it, and do it” -- to do all what the Lord has to say in that covenant which includes the Judgments and other words given in Ex 21, 22, & 23 which is confirmed again in Deut 5:1 and Deut 6:1,17,20.

Now APL you show yourself sharing SDAs unhealthy unbalance obcession with the 10Cs because it is our main proof to sustain our Sabbath idol when we have no clue of the true meaning of the Sabbath and for the most part of us, are guilty of breaking it continually. But then we say like any other denomination that all the other laws of Moses are nailed to the cross when showing our incnsistencies when we cherry pick the ones and portion of others we want to impose on people like tithing, health laws, woman not being in leadership roles, and etc…

Again the scriptures I provided clearly show that the 10Cs is a summary of the whole law which is further detailed with the statutes, the judgments, and etc.

Also let’s keep in mind that “any word that proceeds from the mouth of God” that is uttered to any one of us becomes Law. This is why the covenant includes to "obey His voice" by which the Lord may ask you something very specific for you to do which becomes Law for you and not for another.

The 10Cs(summary of the Law) that they heard were written on two stones(Outside their person and put into a temple made of fabric and wood instead of their own flesh) was symbolic of their failure to enter the Pentecostal event that happened at Sinai. The Lord wanted to write His laws on their heart not on stones. Thus the Pentecost was only fulfilled after the cross sympolized by each indivuduals receiving a portion of the Spirit represented by a tongue of fire that rested on their forehead. That group of people entered the Pentecost == new covenant. However the people at Sinai backed off and refuse to hear futher that can only be sealed by an old covenant type of agreement. If they would of entered the Pentecost stage of spiritual growth marked by hearing then they would of received the fruit of the new covenant which is the Sword of the Spirit, understanding the Spirit of the Law, and would have these laws written on their own hearts(Inside their person/temple). So this is the source of their failure and faithless disasters after disasters that is recorded for our admonition.

That’s why the Lord made a two way conditional covenant (aka Old Covenant) with them knowing that by not hearing the laws for themselves it was impossible for them to obey these.

For the laws to be written on our heart is not an instantaneous magical event. It is a spiritual training that is mark by entering Pentecost by which we are trained to hear His voice/Laws=His Ways which we come to know the law giver. As we come to understand His laws and come to know the intend and purpose behind these Laws as they are all a reflection of the Lord’s character… then that’s when these laws becomes our own and becomes written on our hearts.

Contrary, the Lord made a one way unconditional covenant (aka New Covenant) with Abraham, Jacob and Isaac because they entered into the Pentecost and moved into the presence of the Lord like Moses did. These men were trained to hear His voice and came to know Him and His ways which is defines by His Laws.

ratified by the blood??? I do agree that all the laws of Moses needs to be written on our heart – from the law of circumcision to the Jubilee law. What needs to be written on our heart is not the letter of the law, but the spirit of the law which only can come from understanding the laws which comes from knowing the law giver which comes from hearing him personally.

Jesus defined who His people where when He said "my sheep hear my voice."

In Hebrew Shama is the same word for hearing and obeying and these meaning are used interchangeably. So hearing and obeying is the same meaning and it is because obebience can only come from hearing first.

Faith also comes from hearing – “So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word[rhema, utterance] of God.”Rom 10:17 The word rhema here comes from the source word rheo that means "to utter, i.e. speak or say". Rhema is define by Strong as “an utterance” and this same text is translated by Youngs Literal translation as “and hearing by the saying[rhema] of God”. So Paul understood what faith stems from and further describes faith when Abraham heard the voice of the Lord to move out of Ur.

Something to note...to hear the Lord’s voice personally does not necessarily come in an audible voice. It can but most often we hear "a small still voice" via events or tribulations initiated by the Lord, impressions via studies, "gut feelings" and other form of the guidance of His Spirit, applying the law of double witness, etc...

So coming back to this discussion -- Is 8:20 says that if someone doesn't speak according to His Laws(Torah, Pentateuch) then what they speak doesn't come from the Law-Giver for the Law-Giver will never speak or act or do anything outside of His character aka His ways to go about fulfilling His plan which are defined and detailed in great dept in the Torah(Law).

Is 8:20 is in harmony with the Laws on how to test prophets or anything said by a brother written in Deut 13 & Deut 18.

Of which you admit you don't follow and say it is none of anyone's business of what you follow or don't.

The Bible is clear...we are to live by "every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord." Deut 8:3 and not by what people does.

Your question to me was only a trickery so to establish a proof on the basis on your interpretation of the letter of the law in the purpose to advocate "lawlessness" and to say “see the laws of Moses are nail to the cross”.

Your fruit show that you advocate not to walk in all His laws, statues, judgments, etc… I advocate the opposite that none of the laws are nail to the cross and to walk in keeping all of it wherever and whenever it is applicable according to the moving of the Spirit. By studying and tying to understand the mind and intention behind the law while is how we come to know the Law-Giver and recognize His small still voice amidst all the confusion, theories, and noices.

I never have claim, nor I believe no-man can claim to have full understanding of the law(Torah); thus my application of practice of it can only go as far as my current understanding. This is why no one should follow what someone else does. Only Jesus Christ -- The Law-Giver, knows how, when, and in what manner to apply His laws to any paticular events or isus. So that is why we are to follow the Lord not individuals. Each person needs to go to “thus says the Lord” .

In Mat 7:15-23 Jesus show who the false prophets are. In v. 16. He says you know them by their fruits which further says in v. 23 that it is those "who practice lawlessness"(anomia). 1John 3:4 expands on it by saying that “sin is lawlessness”(anomia). Jesus says to those false followers who in that group includes individuals who prophesied, perform miracles and cast out demons, “23 ...I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.(anomia)’

Their show of fruits is whether or not someone follow or uphold HIS laws. Which Law? The Torah of course. Not only the 10Cs which lacks details and specifications of the social, economic, agricultural, moral, judicial, etc... laws, status, and judgments of the Lord. Plus the Torah illustrates the whole plan of salvation – which He is fulfilling every day as history goes by.

A true prophet(or anyone amoung us speaking or teaching) will speak according to the TORAH and not only the 10Cs. The 10Cs cannot test a prophet as it is not detailed … it makes no sense. But if someone do not speak according to the TORAH – (now we have a good foundation to test someone against) -- it is because there’s no light in them.

Now Kland, by the definition of Is 8:20, Deut 13 & Deut 18 you are someone who is telling your brother and sister “Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers”. What was taught to “thy fathers”? It was what was given to Moses – the whole laws.

These laws are everyone’s duty to meditate, understand, and apply in a new covenant relationship type with the Lord. Some laws have both a physical and spiritual applications that is required of us to keep like do not practice adultery, bestially, usury, … do tithe, eat clean food, etc.. . Some other laws like the sacrificial services only have a spiritual application. This doesn’t mean that these sacrificial laws are nailed to the cross. No…by far. The blood of the lamb still needs to be applied to our heart altar—TODAY -- for every new convert, for those already converted that needs to repent, etc...

We also have the example of Timothy that the Lord ask to be circumcised to show that at times the Lord may ask someone to do something, that is not required for another. Whatever the Lord ask of you becomes LAW to you. That’s another reason we are not to follow what others practice for it could have been an extra-ordinary commandment for a particular person for a particular purpose for a specific time.

Also, we know that the priest worked on the Sabbath…actually it was required of them to perform almost twice as more sacrifices compare to other days. Now why would the Lord increase the workload of His priest on the Sabbath when He says in the 10Cs not to work on the weekly Sabbath? Isn’t this contradictory? Seeming contradictions is a product of our limited understanding of His laws as we only study & uphold the weekly Sabbath and discard all the rest of the Sabbaths taught in the Law and say it doesn’t apply to us today. This only works against us as we will never come to understanding the divine mind behind the Sabbath Laws, thus never be able to know how to truly keep the Sabbath according to the Lord’s view.

So Kland you show no respects and no value for the laws of the Lord in not seeking to learn them and uphold them. You need to kill that false prophet (voice of the carnal mind) that wars against the spiritual law, and only listen to the seed of Christ that lives in you that cannot sin.

Cute. So don't do what Elle does or doesn't do, but what she says.

What does "to the law and to the testimony" actually refer to?

Does it refer only to the Ten Commandments, or more than that?

""Also, we know that the priest worked on the Sabbath…actually it was required of them to perform almost twice as more sacrifices compare to other days. ""

Could I have the texts for that one?

Well we know the priest needed to do the "daily" sacrifices which consisted 1 lamb offering every morning and 1 lamb offering in the evening. So in addition to that, on every Sabbath day they had to offer an additional 2 lambs(Nu28:9-10).

I guess my wording wasn't accurate, I should of said "the priest was required to do at least twice as many sacrifice or more depending if other feast dates landed on a Sabbath day."

Other sacrifices required depending on whatever day the feast landed on which could be on a Sabbath day was the following (ref: Lev 23 & Num 29) :

-The first day of every Month : 2 Bulls, 1 ram, 7 lambs, 1 kid
- Unleaven bread (First Month day 15 to day 21):2 Bulls, 1 ram, 7 lambs, 1 kid
- Wave offering (16th day of the first month) : 2 Bulls, 1 ram, 7 lambs, 1 kid
- Trumpet Day (1st day of 7th month) : 1 Bull, 1 ram, 7 lambs, 1 kid
- Day of Atonement (10th Day of 7th Month) : 1 Bull, 1 ram, 7 lambs, 1 kid
- Tabernacles (from the 15th day to 21nd day of 7th Month) : 13 Bulls(the following day the number decreased of 1 bull from the day previous), 2 ram, 14 lambs, 1 kid
-Day of convocation (the 22nd day of the 7th month) : 1 Bull, 1 ram, 7 lambs, 1 kid

In the context of Isaiah, it refers specifically to:

1. "Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread." (Is. 8:13) That is the law.

2. This is the testimony (the spirit, or word, of prophecy), Isaiah 8:1-4 ...

"1 Moreover the Lord said unto me, Take thee a great roll, and write in it with a man's pen concerning Mahershalalhashbaz.
2 And I took unto me faithful witnesses to record, Uriah the priest, and Zechariah the son of Jeberechiah.
3 And I went unto the prophetess; and she conceived, and bare a son. Then said the Lord to me, Call his name Mahershalalhashbaz.
4 For before the child shall have knowledge to cry, My father, and my mother, the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria shall be taken away before the king of Assyria."

We are also expected to adhere to the Law and the Testimony (the spirit, or word, of prophecy as contained in the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ) too. See Rev. 12:17.
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Could you explain "the testimony" more? It sounds like you are trying to say it has something to do with the fall of Damascus and Samaria. Either that or the prophesy of it happening. ?