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Re: Was Jesus born without sin?
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Well there is no advantage if we have the same power to fill and sanctify and help us overcome, and we do...
John 3 King James Version (KJV) 1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Whether it happens at the womb or after you are born, we have the same power available to us. Thus Christ had no advantage..
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
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Re: Was Jesus born without sin?
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So if man, though created perfect and in God's image, and placed in a perfect environment, through Adam and Eve became transgressors of Gods Law and inherited sin, how did Jesus who became fully flesh, not have sin at birth. His Father was ... different from everyone else's.
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Was Jesus born without sin?
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So if man, though created perfect and in God's image, and placed in a perfect environment, through Adam and Eve became transgressors of Gods Law and inherited sin, how did Jesus who became fully flesh, not have sin at birth. His Father was ... different from everyone else's. That takes care of half of the issue. And knowing how mobile genetic elements move, that half would have been fully "infected" by the time He was born.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Was Jesus born without sin?
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So if man, though created perfect and in God's image, and placed in a perfect environment, through Adam and Eve became transgressors of Gods Law and inherited sin, how did Jesus who became fully flesh, not have sin at birth. His Father was ... different from everyone else's. No, I strongly disagree, God is our Father also. Christ made that clear, and we are His children, so Christ was no different in that respect. Now, God in His great wisdom chooses as he pleases, and when the Holy Spirit comes and fills and makes strong even from the womb, who are we to question it. Romans 11:33-34 King James Version (KJV) 33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
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Re: Was Jesus born without sin?
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So if man, though created perfect and in God's image, and placed in a perfect environment, through Adam and Eve became transgressors of Gods Law and inherited sin, how did Jesus who became fully flesh, not have sin at birth. His Father was ... different from everyone else's. No, I strongly disagree, God is our Father also. Christ made that clear, and we are His children, so Christ was no different in that respect. I strongly disagree with your disagreement. John 8:39-47 is pretty clear that we do the deeds of our father. And remembering the days of my youth, and hearing the stories of my exploits as an infant and toddler, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that God was not my father. At least not for a significant portion of my life. It is not correct to say, as many writers have said, that Christ was like all children. He was not like all children. Many children are misguided and mismanaged. But Joseph, and especially Mary, kept before them the remembrance of their child's divine Fatherhood. Jesus was instructed in accordance with the sacred character of His mission. His inclination to right was a constant gratification to His parents. {SD 134.3}
He talked and acted like other children and youth, except that He did no wrong. Sin found no place in His life. Ever He lived in an atmosphere of heavenly purity. . . . {TMK 30.4}You may have had a vastly more positive experience, but I can say with certainty that Jesus was different from me.
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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[quote=Rick H]So if man, though created perfect and in God's image, and placed in a perfect environment, through Adam and Eve became transgressors of Gods Law and inherited sin, how did Jesus who became fully flesh, not have sin at birth. His Father was ... different from everyone else's. No, I strongly disagree, God is our Father also. Christ made that clear, and we are His children, so Christ was no different in that respect. I strongly disagree with your disagreement. John 8:39-47 is pretty clear that we do the deeds of our father. And remembering the days of my youth, and hearing the stories of my exploits as an infant and toddler, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that God was not my father. At least not for a significant portion of my life. It is not correct to say, as many writers have said, that Christ was like all children. He was not like all children. Many children are misguided and mismanaged. But Joseph, and especially Mary, kept before them the remembrance of their child's divine Fatherhood. Jesus was instructed in accordance with the sacred character of His mission. His inclination to right was a constant gratification to His parents. {SD 134.3}
He talked and acted like other children and youth, except that He did no wrong. Sin found no place in His life. Ever He lived in an atmosphere of heavenly purity. . . . {TMK 30.4}You may have had a vastly more positive experience, but I can say with certainty that Jesus was different from me. By being born again we too can have the same 'inclination to right' and 'live in an atmosphere of heavenly purity', that is the key. Yet we don't ask for the transformation of the Holy Spirit, we don't seek the rebirth of the Spirit, we are too content to know about the 'theory' and don't put into action the 'gift' that we have available to be born again and be like Christ. Christ had the advantage from birth that we can also have and that is where we must choose just like Nicodemus..
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