Your example fails and is a confusion of terms. If I inherit disease from my ancestors, is that a legal problem? Nope. Have you already forgotten the quote from Desire of Ages page 45? Attacking the messenger again. Have I said I know all there is about genetics? Nope. But I can hold my own with PhD's in the topic. And Yes, I can show how "sin in the DNA" theory can account for how sin entered the world by one man, and thus death by sin, and thus death passed to all men, Romans 5:12. And why sin affects all life on this planet. And the only explanation that makes sense, with a physiologic mechanism is DNA. And your pride, can be explained by the DNA. And science has shown how our DNA predisposes us to certain behaviors. Predisposes - not determines. But some are just not willing to examine the evidence. Most are left with an offended legal God that must execute those who break His rules. When in reality, the problem is that you can't mess with what God has made. That is sin: transgression of the laws of how we were made. You can change one jot or tittle, or the system will die, that is the wages of sin.

I know those verses. I could have provided those, but they do not define grace. You should know better.

As far as I know, there is no verse that clearly defines it. I don't need to put verses for the sake of putting verses.

Let's see if you can do what you expect others to do. Define grace.

seeing but you do not see. I guess you are not a mathematician. The equation is very very clear. Try it again. Do the math. Isaiah 52:11; Titus 3:5-7. Write out the equation.

Actually, I am a bit of a mathematician. Used to teach it in college. And as an engineer, I'm fairly good at word problems. Those verses have no equation. You are indulging in eisegesis.

Come come now, an engineer can figure this out. I also have an engineering degree. You are not even trying.

Oh - perhaps my last message had a little typo! But your Bible knowledge perhaps missed it. Try it again.

Isaiah 53:11; Titus 3:5-7. Write out the equation.

Well, I guess you do not want to take up the homework, or you have good to bed for the night. That's OK. Here is the answer key...


Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior;
Titus 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Isaiah 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Let's see start with Titus, works does not save us, but Christ washes us, regenerates us. This is the essence of the Gospel - regeneration. OK how are we set right, which is justification? Ah - "by His grace". So it is by grace that we are set right. There, but does this tell us what grace is? No, we need more input. Let's look at Isaiah. If we read all of Isaiah 53, we know that Christ took on our sickness, though we thought it was punishment sent by God, it was not, but we sure thought it was, and many still do. Christ went through the great travail, and we know from from Hebrews 2:18, that going through this He is now able to succor us. Hebrews 2:17-18 Why in all things it behooved him to be made like to his brothers, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself has suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted. So what Christ went though, He learn how to succor us, to help us. He gained knowledge of the problem having gone through it completely for us. He was the sacrificial lamb, that was needed to solve the problem And Isaiah 53:11 tells us that by His knowledge, He is able to justify many.

There. That is the equation.

Titus 3:7 "justified by his Grace". Isaiah 53:11 "by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many". We are justified by Grace. By His knowledge we are justified. GRACE = HIS KNOWLEDGE to solve the problem. That is THE definition of Grace, from the Bible and the Bible alone.

In humility and unutterable sadness they bade farewell to their beautiful home and went forth to dwell upon the earth, where rested the curse of sin. The atmosphere, once so mild and uniform in temperature, was now subject to marked changes, and the Lord mercifully provided them with a garment of skins as a protection from the extremes of heat and cold. – {PP 61.5}

As they witnessed in drooping flower and falling leaf the first signs of decay, Adam and his companion mourned more deeply than men now mourn over their dead. The death of the frail, delicate flowers was indeed a cause of sorrow; but when the goodly trees cast off their leaves, the scene brought vividly to mind the stern fact that death is the portion of every living thing. – {PP 62.1}

Can you explain how Adam's sin affected the DNA of plants, and even the atmosphere?

Perhaps you err in thinking that a physiological mechanism is necessary. As I have shown, there are other mechanisms for inheritance. Even simple computer programs can exhibit inheritance without any DNA. You have to give up the notion that the only way it can happen is the way you understand.

Yes, I can explain how Adam's sin affected not only plants, but all life. There is a very good genetic mechanism that explains it.

It is funny you should think that there is not a physiological mechanism. Can you explain how all life if affected by sin? What is your mechanism? How does sin cause heart disease, cancer, autoimmune disease, selfish behavior, death? Please, reason from cause and effect.

EGW: Selfishness is inwrought in our very being. It has come to us as an inheritance, and has been cherished by many as a precious treasure. {HS 138.7}

If this is not in the DNA, please give me the mechanism that we inherit selfishness? Was it in our grand parents will?

EGW: These dear children received from Adam an inheritance of disobedience, of guilt and death. {13MR 14.1}

Please, what is the mechanism of inheritance expressed here? Surely you can tell me, if it is not in the DNA? What is it?

EGW: To some suffering and disease have been transmitted as an inheritance. Others suffer because of accidents. Cause and effect are always in operation in our world, and always will be. {GCB, January 1, 1900 par. 14}

How is this suffereing and disease inherited if not in the DNA? Please, tell me the mechanism.

EGW: Unnatural cravings, sensual impulses, were their inheritance from birth. {MH 173.3}

How are these cravings inherited if not in the DNA? Please help me out!

EGW: Parents leave maladies as a legacy to their children. As a rule, every intemperate man who rears children transmits his inclinations and evil tendencies to his offspring; he gives them disease from his own inflamed and corrupted blood. Licentiousness, disease, and imbecility are transmitted as an inheritance of woe from father to son and from generation to generation, and this brings anguish and suffering into the world, and is no less than a repetition of the fall of man. {4T 30.1}

How is this legacy passed on? Please we need to understand. Help me!

EGW: But it is not an easy matter to overcome hereditary and cultivated tendencies to wrong.{4MR 383.3}

How are these tendencies passed along if not in the DNA? I want to know and understand!

EGW: But Jesus accepted humanity when the race had been weakened by four thousand years of sin. Like every child of Adam He accepted the results of the working of the great law of heredity. What these results were is shown in the history of His earthly ancestors. He came with such a heredity to share our sorrows and temptations, and to give us the example of a sinless life. {DA 48.5}

What is the great law of heredity if it is not encoded in the DNA? What is the answer?

EGW: Whatever may be our inherited or cultivated tendencies to wrong, we can overcome through the power that He is ready to impart. . . . {CH 440.1}

This is Good News. The essence of the Gospel is Restoration.