I am well aware that other planets have not joined Satan's rebellion against God. But they still have had access to the option to do so via the trees of knowledge of good and evil. In other words, every being in this universe has been tempted and annoyed by Satan. They have not all, fortunately, sinned. But the temptation has been there to eat of a novel and knowledge-giving fruit.

After Christ comes, Satan will be confined to this planet and will no more have the liberty to tempt anyone on other planets nor in Heaven.



Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I'm not understanding your purpose, but anyway.
Appetites and passions - every human being is born with them - some inherent to our human condition (hunger, thirst, sex, anger, fear, ambition, etc.) some sinful (also called sinful tendencies). Some of these sinful tendencies (sinful appetites/passions) are acquired. Sinful tendencies are a perversion of legitimate passions and appetites, and produce sinful desires. For instance, the desires of a pedophile, of a homosexual, of a drug addict, of a smoker, of an alcoholic, are clear examples of desires produced by perverted appetites/passions.

R: "I'm not understanding your purpose, but anyway. ..." "every human being is born with them" - if we are born with them, then where did the come from?

Are all "sinful appetites/passions" acquired? This is in interesting assumption, but is it true? Are all sex drives pure, but then we acquire perverted drives? Do alcoholic tendencies run in families? If so, are they only environment driven?

NOTE TO GREEN - This is on topic...

Green made the statement:I never said other worlds were never tempted. Satan had access to them, angels directly, other worlds via a tree of knowledge... My reply was I do not believe that other world are being tempted NOW. This is because Satan has been unmasked by the Cross. Satan is the cause of all sickness, disease and death, not God. Proven at the Cross.

Satan is the tempter. As I said, I do not believe that any other world is now being tempted because Satan has been unmasked, no one will listen to him. WE on the other hand, have sin. We are tempted by our own evil desires which come to us a children of Adam. Take Satan out of the way right now, will not cure our own problem. There is no way on our own, we can overcome. WE need a remedy. Christ came, shared our nature, and overcame for us. He was made to be sin, He took our nature. It was not some fancy paper work or pretending, it was not some skillful legal manuver, it was real. Sin is real and physical.

APL, This is an interesting statement to make after I had already posted support from Mrs. White to the fact that other worlds still have Satan to tempt and to annoy them up until the time Satan is bound for the duration of the millennium.

Are you reading the statements I post? I hope I am not merely wasting time in these discussions. To be honest, I'm about ready to leave off discussing these truths with you, for I have not sensed that you are open to them.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Perhaps you would like refresh you memory by re-reading the thread. You make the statement: #153341 "Are you saying that those on unfallen worlds are never tempted? "

I replied: #153345 "Satan is the author of sin, he is the tempter. The only place Adam and Eve could have been tempted was at the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. Do you disagree Green? Remove Satan, and temptation goes away. When Satan was cast out, there was no longer any temptations in heaven. "

To this you replied, as if you had not read what I wrote: #153392 "Do you believe here on earth is the only place where temptations have existed? "

Did you read my statement? I don't think so. Or you chose to ignore it.

There was then a short exchange with Rosangela where she said temptations come from within, but could not answer the question as to where these temptations come from.

You said in #153443 " But the temptation has been there to eat of a novel and knowledge-giving fruit. "

I reiterated my position #153470, "I never said other worlds were never tempted. Satan had access to them, angels directly, other worlds via a tree of knowledge... My reply was I do not believe that other world are being tempted NOW. This is because Satan has been unmasked by the Cross. Satan is the cause of all sickness, disease and death, not God. Proven at the Cross. "

To this you state: #153482 "APL, This is an interesting statement to make after I had already posted support from Mrs. White  "

Now, is this a correct statement? So whom is not reading whom?

You then say, "To be honest, I'm about ready to leave off discussing these truths with you, for I have not sensed that you are open to them. "

I'm open to clear and logical Biblical and SOP evidence. You have chosen to ignore clear and logical statements by EGW in other threads. If you do not want to respond to my comments, that is your prerogative.

APL,

Your statement that...



...came after I posted this from Mrs. White:



...which tells me that the other worlds are still being pestered by Satan in the here and now, and that you may not have read what I posted.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

To which I will say, John 12:31-32 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all to me. "ALL" - the whole universe. To which EGW will comment:So no, I do not think that Satan is tempting anyone else except us, because even if he did have access to them, and was harassing them, they know the truth. And note WHO shed the blood of Christ? Why do people still insist that God executed Christ?

We've inherited them.


No, I don't think all sinful appetites/passions are acquired. Many of them are inherited. But, whether acquired or inherited, all of them are perversions of legitimate drives God implanted in human beings.

Then let me ask this question - were our internal temptations to sin initially created by God, is God responsible for this perverted appetites/passions? The answer is clearly NO for God is not responsible for the origin or continuation of sin (DA 58.1). If we inherit them, then they are genetic and/or epigenetic, and if God did not create them, then they were added. Christ was made to be sin and He carried our sin in His body, He had our sickness (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:24; Isaiah 53:3-4). Sin is the disease, all the behaviors are symptoms. Murder, lying, stealing, adultery, gossips, boasters, disobedient to parents, child abuse, etc., symptoms. The disease is the corruption of what God has made. Christ had our sickness, but NEVER participated in it, He was spotless. As our pioneers said, the flesh was full of sin. "Our human nature is a sinful nature—a nature full of sin." Christ took our nature! He was made to be Sin for us. He overcame for us, taking our nature, and never particpating in its sin.