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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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06/23/13 05:11 PM
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Notice some key words of EGW. "The apparent severity of God's dealings" Apparent? Yes, apparent. APL, if my horse breaks his leg irreparably, do you think I should let the animal continue living in agony, because if kill him I don't love him; on the contrary, I'm heartless, mercyless and cruel? Did you miss the key point of the post about rebellion?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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06/23/13 05:41 PM
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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06/23/13 06:35 PM
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Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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06/24/13 04:05 PM
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If receiving one's punishment equals "force," then you have defined God as a God of force, in direct contradiction to what we are told through the pen of inspiration.
I believe you are saying the same thing as APL was saying: So color all that you have quoted with this from EGW: Rebellion was not to be overcome by force. Compelling power is found only under Satan's government. The Lord's principles are not of this order. His authority rests upon goodness, mercy, and love; and the presentation of these principles is the means to be used. God's government is moral, and truth and love are to be the prevailing power. {DA 759.1} Question - do you hear something different in this quote than your quotes Rosangela? Do you see a disconnect here or not? There is a solution... Punishment is not forced, however, as anyone had probationary time to choose God's salvation. Their choice was not forced, which is why many will have chosen the way of death, and have been allowed their freedom to choose such.
And Hitler told the men, "See it my way or else". Then a few minutes later, "They had their time, but they still refuse. Take 'em out back." A few "pops" are heard. Sure glad no force was used there. 
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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06/24/13 05:05 PM
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What I didn't understand was what "rebellion" had to do with my comment.
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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What I didn't understand was what "rebellion" had to do with my comment. ? The golden calf episode was not rebellion???
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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06/24/13 05:58 PM
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? So? This is what we were talking about: Notice some key words of EGW. "The apparent severity of God's dealings" Apparent? Yes, apparent. APL, if my horse breaks his leg irreparably, do you think I should let the animal continue living in agony, because if kill him I don't love him; on the contrary, I'm heartless, mercyless and cruel? Did you miss the key point of the post about rebellion? So, what does "rebellion" have to do with my comment: "if my horse breaks his leg irreparably, do you think I should let the animal continue living in agony, because if kill him I don't love him; on the contrary, I'm heartless, mercyless and cruel?" It only would have to do with my comment in the fact that rebellion is many times incurable, just like an irreparable fracture in the leg of a horse.
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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06/24/13 09:24 PM
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What I didn't understand was what "rebellion" had to do with my comment. ? The golden calf episode was not rebellion??? Ah, follow the flow of comments? #153518 followed immediately #153509.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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06/25/13 12:16 AM
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You are pitting Ellen White against herself. Rebellion wouldn't be overcome by force, that is, sin wouldn't be summarily exterminated by God without giving any explanation, thus compelling His subjects to serve Him for fear. But this doesn’t mean that God will permit sin to go unchecked because He can’t do anything that goes against the sinner’s wishes.
The passage says:
"Though God had granted the prayer of Moses in sparing Israel from destruction, their apostasy was to be signally punished. The lawlessness and insubordination into which Aaron had permitted them to fall, if not speedily crushed, would run riot in wickedness, and would involve the nation in irretrievable ruin. By terrible severity the evil must be put away. ... Those who performed this terrible work of judgment were acting by divine authority, executing the sentence of the King of heaven. {PP 324}
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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06/25/13 01:40 AM
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Indeed. "Signally punished." This means all those watching would sit up and take note. It would be a clear case of punishment. None would be left in doubt as to what had happened. The "terrible severity" was needed. It would help prevent many others from following the evil example of those who were punished.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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