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Re: Westcott and Hort and their purpose.
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07/10/13 08:28 AM
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None of this makes your male headship doctrine prime
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Westcott and Hort and their purpose.
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None of this makes your male headship doctrine prime Quite frankly, Johann, the question for this thread is not about headship at all. It's about the preservation of God's Word, and whether or not our doctrines have been corrupted. Obviously, headship may be one of those doctrines, but let us address first the lineage of the manuscripts of scripture and the facts surrounding who has tampered with them before we even think to know which of our present Bibles can have the purest truth. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Westcott and Hort and their purpose.
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But the references given deal with headship and several other subjects. What are they tampering with since you are not satisfied?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Westcott and Hort and their purpose.
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07/11/13 01:44 AM
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But the references given deal with headship and several other subjects. What are they tampering with since you are not satisfied? Study it out and you'll soon see--if you're open to seeing it. There are those who already reject some of the Bible's gems who would quite readily agree with Westcott and Hort for having toned down some of the Bible's "rhetoric." But are we supposed to preach to "itching ears?" Or are we supposed to speak the full truth and nothing but the truth? What should be in our Bible--the full truth, or just a part of it? The last chapter of the Book tells us what will happen to Westcott and Hort and all who, like them, dare to alter the Word of God. I do not envy their fate. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Westcott and Hort and their purpose.
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07/11/13 09:34 AM
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I suppose you may find some good everywhere. I searched the source you give and found some interesting statements. This authority seems to be very much against the headship doctrine entertained by some on this forum. Can a real Bible believer honestly believe that a mere man (regardless of his education, degrees, popularity, or “success”) can take the place of our Lord Jesus Christ in His church (local or other wise)? <http://www.thywordistruthkjv.com/ONE%20HEAD-Biblical%20Authority%20in%20the%20church%202.htm> If you really believe the KJV is the word of God, you will also reject any other headship in the church but Jesus Christ, seems to be his message. It appears you are straining at gnats....
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Re: Westcott and Hort and their purpose.
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But the references given deal with headship and several other subjects. What are they tampering with since you are not satisfied? Study it out and you'll soon see--if you're open to seeing it. There are those who already reject some of the Bible's gems who would quite readily agree with Westcott and Hort for having toned down some of the Bible's "rhetoric." But are we supposed to preach to "itching ears?" Or are we supposed to speak the full truth and nothing but the truth? What should be in our Bible--the full truth, or just a part of it? The last chapter of the Book tells us what will happen to Westcott and Hort and all who, like them, dare to alter the Word of God. I do not envy their fate. Blessings, Green Cochoa. Where are you going? Where is your thinking? I was "quoting" one of your great sources against W&H to give an idea of their general thinking. Now you switch your attack. What are you fighting for?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Westcott and Hort and their purpose.
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07/11/13 11:24 AM
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I suppose you may find some good everywhere. I searched the source you give and found some interesting statements. This authority seems to be very much against the headship doctrine entertained by some on this forum. Can a real Bible believer honestly believe that a mere man (regardless of his education, degrees, popularity, or “success”) can take the place of our Lord Jesus Christ in His church (local or other wise)? <http://www.thywordistruthkjv.com/ONE%20HEAD-Biblical%20Authority%20in%20the%20church%202.htm> If you really believe the KJV is the word of God, you will also reject any other headship in the church but Jesus Christ, seems to be his message. It appears you are straining at gnats.... What's wrong with testing your own source? Are you in agreement with everything else he proclaims?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Westcott and Hort and their purpose.
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07/11/13 10:04 PM
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I suppose you may find some good everywhere. I searched the source you give and found some interesting statements. This authority seems to be very much against the headship doctrine entertained by some on this forum. Can a real Bible believer honestly believe that a mere man (regardless of his education, degrees, popularity, or “success”) can take the place of our Lord Jesus Christ in His church (local or other wise)? <http://www.thywordistruthkjv.com/ONE%20HEAD-Biblical%20Authority%20in%20the%20church%202.htm> If you really believe the KJV is the word of God, you will also reject any other headship in the church but Jesus Christ, seems to be his message. It appears you are straining at gnats.... What's wrong with testing your own source? Are you in agreement with everything else he proclaims? That's a bit extreme, I posted what I came across that someone else had with his source, and then you try to make it mine. Your reaching, for what appears for all intents and purposes to be a misdirection or feint.
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Re: Westcott and Hort and their purpose.
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07/12/13 01:41 AM
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It appears this thread has taken a sharp turn off the subject. It started out interesting enough. Westcott and Hort were both intelligent men who made a tremendous impact on Christianity by their scholarly work in putting together a new revised Greek New Testament which has become the bases of most modern translations. But is intelligence, learning, and access to scholarly matter enough to form such an important document? http://bibleready.org/Westcott_and_Hort.html"It is quite appropriate to examine the character, beliefs and practices of Westcott and Hort as opposed to strictly looking at their linguistic abilities. This is not an ad hominem attack on them. All the logic and ability in the world cannot overcome a faulty premise, since premise alone can render the most sound arguments and logical construction of textual theories false. And of course, premises are related to, or are revealed by a person's character and practices." So what were Westcott's and Hort's premises? Could these premises influence their work?
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Re: Westcott and Hort and their purpose.
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Do we trust secondary sources?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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