God withdrew His protection and the sea parted for them to enter it!

(Oh...that's right, the Israelites entered it first...hmmm....)


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Back up in time a little more, who killed the first born? Is God the destroyer? WHO IS THE DESTROYER? So why did the Egyptians drown in the sea? Who is the destroyer? Why was the sea no longer held back?

Who parted the Red Sea and unparted it again?

Is God the destroyer? Is that what you are saying? Have you read PP pages 278 and 279 (or course, read the whole chapter!) Have you read Deuteronomy 32 recently? WHO was bring on all the disaster spoken of? And how did it happen? The verse is very clear. Why did the Egyptians die in the Red Sea? It is the same reason!

Wow 95 pages.
Obviously everyone is set in their understanding, and the arguing is only confirming each in their viewpoint.

Remember
God is the author and sustainer of life.
We only have this earthly life because Christ died for our sins, thus we have a short probationary time to accept Christ and His gift eternal life.

Every minute of life is a gift from God, yet this debate seems to think this life is our RIGHT and that God has no right to remove that life from us.

This temporary life is only a probationary period. We as humans have NO RIGHT to shorten that probationary period by taking life, but God who in His great love gave us this probationary period in order that we have the chance to choose eternal life through Jesus, has every right to end the probationary period when He sees the choice for or against eternal life has been made.



Thus God will not only at times remove the incurable evil ones who are destroying the chances of curable sinners to come to Christ, but at times He will even lay the righteous into the grave because they are in a saved condition and He knows they cannot bear the trials in the future and would lose eternal life if they had to live through those trials.

Understanding the character of God isn't about making Him into someone who can't remove the gift of this meager earthly life, but rather how he is in ultimate control in saving for eternity just as many as possible.

Do we understand this? Dedication - where in your testimony above is it demonstrated in the life of Christ? Show me so I can be satisfied.

Do you believe the only picture of Christ is in the gospels?

In the gospels Christ walked as a man upon earth, an example of how we (as humans) are to walk.

But He is also the Creator and Sustainer of creation. (Heb. 1:2,3)

In the Old Testament He was the One in the pillar of cloud and in the pillar of fire that lead the Israelites.

In the Revelation He is the One that comes to deliver His people from their enemies.

Let's not limit the Son of God to His 33 years on earth.
The Son of God is God revealed throughout HIS WORD -- the entire Bible. For in the beginning was THE WORD, who was with God and was God.

I think it is satan's false presentation to say that God is a "destroyer" if He doesn't sustain life at all times. Satan will twist things so God's justice in removing His gift of life, will sound like injustice. Satan himself only has life because God is giving him life till he has revealed his full malice. It is Satan's cry that God has no right to remove life from him, after all satan was blaspheming God during the flood as well.




Just remember -- there would be no life for any human (or fallen angel for that matter) if God was not giving it minute by minute. Mankind would not have the short probationary time in which one can make a choice for eternal life through Jesus Christ, if our Saviour had not stepped in and stayed the death sentence till sin could reveal itself and Adam and Eve and all their descendants could have a chance to choose life eternal through Jesus.

Remember Christ is our Creator -- He is the One that breathed LIFE into dust, and He has every right to take that breath away again. Instead of crying when justice is finally carried out, be thankful for the wonderful gift of life offered so mankind can choose eternal life -- that they are GIVEN A CHANCE FOR LIFE eternal.

The Egyptians died in the Red Sea because they were set on killing God's people, they had passed the point of no return -- they died because God did not hold the walls of water up for them -- God released the water after the Israelites had crossed on dry ground.

Even more -- the pillar of cloud (Christ's presence) moved between the Israelites and Egyptians and became a pillar of fire with lightening and thunder and poured water on them, causing their wheels to fall off, so they couldn't catch up to the Israelites before they were all across.

"And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the Lord looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians. And took off their chariot wheels, that they drove them heavily"

This mighty deliverance by the hand of God resulted in the "Song of Moses"
Do we believe in deliverance? Will we sing the song of Moses and Lamb someday?

Dedication, well spoken, especially that quote above. APL is set in his opinion. I think he will have to witness the final events with his own eyes before understanding this, and it is likely not worth discussing with him any further. I have, personally, spent too much time and energy trying to combat these errors, to no avail.

Both sides, righteous and wicked, will understand fully God's justice in doing what He does before that final judgment is meted. All will acknowledge God's fairness and righteousness in it. APL will also understand at that time, whether he wishes to or not. Hopefully, he will be on the right side of the divide.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Hebrews 1:1-3 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 Has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

John 14:9 Jesus said to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?

Yes, I interpret EVERYTHING by looking the the Son. If there is any confusion, then Jesus is the answer. Look at Jesus. God is EXACTLY like Jesus.

There are two sides to this equation --
APL's argument limits things to only one side.