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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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07/27/13 03:00 AM
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I'm so sorry I waste so much of your time.
Can you give me an examples any thing which is not physical? And you have defined spiritual yet. Start there....
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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07/27/13 03:11 AM
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When someone proposes a theory, you expect a mechanism or else face your ire. And should anyone question the validity of one of your cherished beliefs (genetic sin, epigenetics, ...), you manifest a spirit diametrically opposed to your current humble claim that "there are many things we do not understand." Interesting.... If someone creates a theory, most people usually have a reason behind it. And are you saying we should not have a mechanism to supports one's theory? Sorry - that makes no sense to me... My "cherished beliefs", I'm only reading the Bible with the science I know. And it is speaking volumes. "I will put enmity between they SEED and her SEED". Genetics! Genesis 3:14-18 is all genetics. That is how I read it. Romans 5-7, it is all genetics. It is all over the Bible and the writings of EGW. Just because you like to argue that when EGW speaks about "to inherit" does not mean genetics as you have, does not mean it is not genetic. It is Satan's constant effort to misrepresent the nature of sin.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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07/27/13 02:35 PM
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Can you give me an examples any thing which is not physical? The Holy Spirit. And you have defined spiritual yet. Start there.... Spiritual things are those that pertain to God. Now, your turn. Define physical.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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07/27/13 02:45 PM
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When someone proposes a theory, you expect a mechanism or else face your ire. And should anyone question the validity of one of your cherished beliefs (genetic sin, epigenetics, ...), you manifest a spirit diametrically opposed to your current humble claim that "there are many things we do not understand." Interesting.... If someone creates a theory, most people usually have a reason behind it. And are you saying we should not have a mechanism to supports one's theory? Sorry - that makes no sense to me... My "cherished beliefs", I'm only reading the Bible with the science I know. And it is speaking volumes. - God created the heaven and the earth. - The Word was made flesh. Do you believe these theories? Do you know the mechanism through which these were accomplished? If you are really sorry about wasting everyone's time, answer these so we can make some progress. The problem is that you read the Bible wih the science you know. And given that there are many things we don't understand, your approach is inherently flawed. Until you have a complete understanding of science, your filter is broken.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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07/27/13 07:48 PM
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- God created the heaven and the earth.
- The Word was made flesh.
Do you believe these theories? Do you know the mechanism through which these were accomplished? If you are really sorry about wasting everyone's time, answer these so we can make some progress. Adam's sin brought down the human race and all life on this planet. Are we not to ask how and what happened, and how is it rectified? I sure hope so. You seem to just want to reject anything that does not fit your current view. I guess since we can never know everything, that if the Bible just says it, then believe it. No questioning allowed.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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07/27/13 11:22 PM
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That was so not an answer to my question. Care to try again?
- God created the heaven and the earth.
- The Word was made flesh.
Do you believe these theories? Do you know the mechanism through which these were accomplished? If you are really sorry about wasting everyone's time, answer these so we can make some progress.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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07/28/13 03:03 AM
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That was so not an answer to my question. Care to try again?
- God created the heaven and the earth.
- The Word was made flesh.
Do you believe these theories? Do you know the mechanism through which these were accomplished? If you are really sorry about wasting everyone's time, answer these so we can make some progress. Theories? Do you believe they are THEORIES? Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong to the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. There are things that are revealed, those things we can know. Can you tell me how sin causes all life on this planet to suffer? Most have no clue, and in fact, their ideas of sin really don't make any sense, treating sin as something immaterial.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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07/28/13 07:52 AM
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That's the second longest "I don't know" I've ever seen.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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07/28/13 08:08 AM
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That's the second longest "I don't know" I've ever seen. I feel the love...
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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07/28/13 08:20 AM
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BTW - I'll take your reply to mean you have no idea how Sin causes all life to have disease and die.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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