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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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If Adam's sin was worse, and if He would be in heaven, why wouldn't Eve, who was deceived and did not sin fully knowing what she was doing? If Adam will be in heaven, we can be sure Eve will be, too. Heaven is given, not based on the smallness of one's sin, but on the bigness of one's Savior. Even one infinitesimal sin is enough to bar one from heaven, so in this case, size does not matter. The question to ask is not if Adam's sin was worse than Eve's, but if Eve's repentance was as deep as Adam's.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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Thank you, Arnold, for putting this thread into its intended perspective.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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The question to ask is not if Adam's sin was worse than Eve's, but if Eve's repentance was as deep as Adam's. Oh? So the issue is not whether or not one repented. It is whether we can measure the depth of one's repentance. If Eve did not repent as much as Adam repented, she will not find the salvation that was given to Adam? Where in the Bible are we given a standard by which we can measure the depth of another's repentance? Where in the Bible are we told that such is our task? Where in the Bible are we told that salvation depends upon us reaching some pre-determined level of repentance? How is that scale measured? Is it a scale from one to ten? Is it a scale from one to 1,000? I will suggest that Biblically salvation depends more on what Christ did at Calvary than on what I do in repentance. Yes, it is the work of Christ (the Holy Spirit) that produces repentance in me. So, if I do not reach that level of repentance, does that mean that Christ (the HS)is ineffective?
Gregory May God's will be done.
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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The question to ask is not if Adam's sin was worse than Eve's, but if Eve's repentance was as deep as Adam's. Oh? So the issue is not whether or not one repented. It is whether we can measure the depth of one's repentance. I'm sorry, but I think I inadvertently confused you there. I was contrastring the need for repentance over the need to measure the relative size of the sin of Adam and Eve. Read my sentence again and you'll see the A vs B structure. Let me rephrase it simpler: Don't focus on sin, but on repentance. You must have missed the posts comparing the sins of Adam and Eve, and implying that their magnitudes were indicative of the certainty of salvation. Given the vehemence with which you tore into the idea of the depth of repentance, a concept frequently taught by the SOP BTW, I'm sure you would have demolished the idea that our salvation can be gauged by how bad our sins are, had you noticed.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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I'm sorry, but I think I inadvertently confused you there. Your gracious example of repentance is accepted and you are forgiven as the magnitude of your repentance meets the requirement. NOTE: Please take this as my sometimes perverted sense of humor.
Gregory May God's will be done.
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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The question to ask is not if Adam's sin was worse than Eve's, but if Eve's repentance was as deep as Adam's. Oh? So the issue is not whether or not one repented. It is whether we can measure the depth of one's repentance. If Eve did not repent as much as Adam repented, she will not find the salvation that was given to Adam? Good catch. However I thought he was suggesting that God did not forgive Eve. Or the level of forgiveness! How does one determine that?
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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As for crimes of greater magnitude, consider murderers like David who will be in Heaven. Surely, kland, you do recognize that killing someone is more egregious than eating a piece of fruit. I sense you are trying to lure off-topic. What if someone kills someone for a 'good' reason?
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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The question to ask is not if Adam's sin was worse than Eve's, but if Eve's repentance was as deep as Adam's. Oh? So the issue is not whether or not one repented. It is whether we can measure the depth of one's repentance. If Eve did not repent as much as Adam repented, she will not find the salvation that was given to Adam? Good catch. However I thought he was suggesting that God did not forgive Eve. Or the level of forgiveness! How does one determine that? You are as confused as Gregory was. Sorry about that. The problem is the idea that since Adam will be in heaven, then it must mean that Eve will be in heaven because her sin was "less bad" than his. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the plan of salvation.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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The question to ask is not if Adam's sin was worse than Eve's, but if Eve's repentance was as deep as Adam's. Oh? So the issue is not whether or not one repented. It is whether we can measure the depth of one's repentance. If Eve did not repent as much as Adam repented, she will not find the salvation that was given to Adam? Good catch. However I thought he was suggesting that God did not forgive Eve. Or the level of forgiveness! How does one determine that? You are as confused as Gregory was. Sorry about that. The problem is the idea that since Adam will be in heaven, then it must mean that Eve will be in heaven because her sin was "less bad" than his. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the plan of salvation. ...and a fundamental misunderstanding of sin. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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True. While sins are not all of the same magnitude, all sin earns eternal death. The only escape is not in comparing our sins with another sinner's, but in comparing our righteousness to Christ's, leading to confession, repentance, and conversion.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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