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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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07/28/13 10:26 PM
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As I have repeatedly quoted: "To sin, wherever found, "our God is a consuming fire." Hebrews 12:29." {DA 107.4}
Now my question to you, why? But you seem to separate the sinner from the sin. God's consuming fire won't after our probation has closed. This is why we are to be "tried in the fire" now. We are to allow God to burn the sin out of our lives now. Then we won't be consumed with the sin later on. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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07/28/13 11:25 PM
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And this answers the question how?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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07/29/13 01:22 PM
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I'll throw out a challenge: If you can find one single statement from Mrs. White or the Bible that says "God is not A destroyer," I will seriously reconsider my view.
But I doubt you can you find one single statement from Mrs. White or the Bible that says "God destroys"? Whether with A or THE in it? Maybe the destructions spoken of are in past or future tense. For example: And I note that you did not list even one quote which says, "God destroys".  But you are right, the question involves how does God destroy, what is His wrath. Does God destroy the way He slew Saul, or does He destroy the way you would destroy?
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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07/30/13 01:33 AM
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"If you are selfish, God's presence and glory will be torture to you and eventually destroy you." Is that true or false? As I have repeatedly quoted: "To sin, wherever found, "our God is a consuming fire." Hebrews 12:29." {DA 107.4} Does that mean your answer is "True"?
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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07/30/13 01:51 AM
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And I note that you did not list even one quote which says, "God destroys". I found some. It wasn't too hard. Here's one: God destroys no one. The sinner destroys himself by his own impenitence. {FLB 58.7}
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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07/30/13 06:39 AM
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Ellen White uses Jesus' own words to help us understand the sense and timing of this. God may not now destroy. He will destroy. With heavenly light shining from His countenance, Christ said, "Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The Stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?" What an impression these words made upon those who heard them! If they had received Christ as the Sent of God, saying, "Blessed be He that cometh in the name of the Lord. . . . Thou art my God, and I will praise Thee; Thou art my God, I will exalt Thee," how different would have been their future! But they rejected Christ, and He declared, "Therefore I say unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this Stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever It shall fall, It will grind him to powder." The husbandmen had yielded to God no returns, and in these words is portrayed their final doom. The Stone lies passive under the treatment It receives. It is discarded, stumbled over, mocked at; but at last a living power takes possession of It. It seems to rise from the earth, and falls on those who have treated It with such contempt. On those who do not fall upon It and become broken, whose hearts are not cleansed by the mercy and forgiveness of God from hereditary and cultivated tendencies to wrong, that Stone will fall and grind them to powder. {ST, October 31, 1900 par. 5} Jesus here says "I will destroy," though not in those exact words. Of course, you may not think it means "destroy" if you fancy the idea of being ground into powder. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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07/30/13 06:40 AM
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Oh, and by the way, that is part of the life of Jesus--so it certainly fits in with the "all we can know..." line that some of you interpret so strictly. I just wonder if some of us here can actually "know" this.
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Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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07/30/13 03:25 PM
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And I note that you did not list even one quote which says, "God destroys". I found some. It wasn't too hard. Here's one: God destroys no one. The sinner destroys himself by his own impenitence. {FLB 58.7} Huh? Maybe your comment was to Green?
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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07/30/13 03:28 PM
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though not in those exact words. Bingo! Now perhaps you can apologize for doing the same thing to APL?
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Re: What is the Wrath of God?
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07/31/13 12:31 AM
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though not in those exact words. Bingo! Now perhaps you can apologize for doing the same thing to APL? ???  Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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