So Jerusalem is no longer important but you use it as an important reference point for calendars? And this makes sense, why?

Guess no sense has been made.

Ex 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
I've read some say the year's end means middle. They use the Hebrew word meaning revolution or circuit and say that means middle. Therefore, they say, since the middle of the year falls on the fall equinox, then the beginning of the year falls on the spring equinox.

However, this only works out if you start the beginning of the year at the spring equinox. Meaning, they are using circular reasoning. The question is, when does the year start. By saying it starts at the spring equinox and it's proved by the middle falling on the fall equinox makes no sense at all.

Then, there's the issue of why "end/revolution/course/circuit/come about" means "middle"....

Oh and,
Ex 23:16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.

which uses a different Hebrew word for "end" with various meanings such as come about, break out, bring forth, going out, lead out...

Do you think there will be an equinox on the new earth?

Somehow I think things will be different on the new earth -- no more -40 degree winters with several feet of snow and freezing winds, nor hot scorching summers.

Rather it will be perfect climate all the time.


Rev. 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light:

Isaiah 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them

Time --
do you think there will be months and years on the New Earth?
Will we be counting time by years? or by eternities?


Somehow I don't think time will be reckoned by the moon.

In the New Jerusalem there is not need for sun or moon.

Rev. 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof.

Months will be reckoned by the tree of life.

Rev. 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month:

Every month a new fruit will ripen on the tree of life.

If this is true, then Jerusalem should be the Prime Meridian Point, not Greenwich, England.

And if that is the case then the dateline should run through the eastern edge of Alaska. (180 degrees from Jerusalem) And Alaska, Hawaii, Tahiti, Samoa, Tonga etc. are all on Asian time.

Will the ripeness of the fruit determine the New Moon or will the New Moon determine the New Moon and the fruit follow the New Moon. In the beginning when God created the celestial bodies He gave them time-keeping authority - the sun to rule the day and the moon to rule the night. If the circuit of the sun defines a day and seven of these make a week so that the sun also defines the week it follows doesn't it that the moon defines the month which is independent of the week but not of the year which is defined by the sun.



The rule of the night by the moon implies that a month is the number of nights in the lunar cycle. The spiritual lesson is that the moon depicts our night of sin. We're not in total darkness because the Lord has given us a light in the darkness. That light is sufficient for us to know the way of Life. So in the Revelation, the pure woman is pictured as clothed with the Sun, the righteousness of Christ, with the Moon under her feet. She stands on the revealed Word of God which is like a lamp in the dark, lighting the path for her feet.

On a different topic I agree Dedication that the prime meridian should be Jerusalem. But I would hesitate to use that to settle the date-line issue. Local time-keeping is better I think.

We need to be careful….prophecies are not to be read literally. This has been made clear by the Lord Himself when He told Aaron and Myryam the difference between a Prophet and Moses. In Num 12:8 He said He speaks in “dark speeches”(chiydah) to prophets in visions and dreams. The Hebrew word chiydah means a puzzle, a riddle which needs to be solved. This means that all the prophets and the book of Revelation are spoken in “dark speeches” that requires that we learn the meanings of the symbolism used in the riddle to come to solve the puzzle.



This is a good example of solving a riddle and how to take prophecies.

I agree with Dedication that the barley ripeness was the OT way in determining which moon to start watching for the first crescent appearance to mark the "new year"(well at least the beginning of the feasts 7 months count). It was not by the vernal equinox despite that most of the time the Barley ripeness corellated after it.

Let us not forget that the whole law is prophetic as well as spiritual… meaning they are also symbolism that we refer as Types and Shadows that teaches us of greater things to come.

So what is the symbolic meaning of barley? It is the first crop to be riped and be harvested in the year. Barley represents the overcomers which are the firstfruit of all other crops. There are two other crops (wheat and grapes) that are also harvested and part of the feasts and its fruits ends up at the Lords table.



Now let us live by all the Words that proceeded from the mouth of God. He made clearly known that [old]Jerusalem is no longer the place that His name-glory dwell. It has not dwell there since Jeremiah's time and His presence did not return there since. The Lord said very clearly that it will not return there in the future either at some point of time like His glory never returned to Shiloh. (Jer 7:11-14; 1Sam 4:21, Ps 78:59-69)



That city in that text is the NEW Jerusalem where the temple is made with living stones. This is not to be mistaken with the OLD Jerusalem where the Lord clearly told us that His glory will never be seen there again.

There’s two Jerusalem in the Bible. It is in the NEW Jerusalem (people’s body temple) where the Lord will dwell. The Old Jerusalem and the sacrificial services with the Feasts were all types and shadows of things to come. In the body temple of the Overcomers(Barley Harvest) is where the glory&name of the Lord will be first be fully manifested. These people will have no need of the light of the sun(Jesus two works of conciliation) or the light of the moon (the Bible that lighten up our way to the "promise land")….BECAUSE the divine goal has already been reached and fulfilled in THEM. They are fully reconciliated and restored and the fullness of the Lord glory is dwelling in them.



I would see the NEW heavens and the NEW earth on the same lines as we are NEW creature in Christ. It will be NEW but not in all the literal sense.

I still don’t understand what v.23 means. At times a symbolism can have two meanings. I don’t think moon means Bible here but perhaps feasts by which it was the moons that determined the feasts.

The word Sabbath(H7676, shabbath) here is a different word than the 7day Sabbath(H7673, shabath). The difference between the two is h7676 is written with an additional beth character. Strong defined it as “intermission”. I haven’t noticed that word before and am surprise to see it used 111 times in the Bible including in the 10Cs and many other places in the law including the feasts. Something to look into that may shed some more light in the meaning of Sabbath. There is a distinction between h7673 and h7676 despite they both mean a type of rest and forbearance of debt.

In regards to the different Sabbaths(7th-day weekly, 7th-year, 7 ceremonial Sabbath feast days, and the Jubilee year) my understanding are they all point to the Jubilee, meaning that all these different "rest" are lesser Sabbaths pointing to the greatest of all Sabbath – the Jubilee. Basically, all Sabbaths points to the liberation from sin, total debt forgiveness, and restoration of man.

I don't use the Old Jerusalem as a reference point. The Old Jerusalem is no longer the place where believers go to keep the feast. The name and the glory of the Lord was last seen and manifested at Pentecost in the place on the forehead of believers. So the keeping of the feasts is to be observed within our minds (or hearts).

The feasts still needs to be kept but not by performing the literal ceremonial type and shaddows, but by having the spriritual meaning and real intent of the law performed in us. Literal circumcision of the flesh is no longer reguired but the spiritual circumcision of the heart is a MUST -- that is only posible by the two works of Christ.

In terms of keeping a calendar, the Lord is maintaining the same calendar since Adam which is based on a Jubilee cycle(49 years) that also comprises the feasts times. Not all things are fulfilled yet. The fall feasts, the law of Jubilee and other fulfillment of laws are still on course and yet to be fulfilled.

The Lord mainly makes worldly or major corporate events (prophecies) happened on feasts days or its types or other timelines (based on Types reveal in His word) that He make these known to His body(those that can hear) from year to year. He basically tells His body what (& why) He's doing before He does it by which at time the body is involve in some level.

And I'm not sure it can be said that the fruit only ripens once a month nor only one fruit at one time a year.

Except today, the moon only rules the night about half the time. The other half, it tries to rule the day. Think something went wrong?

Isa 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

Now if the sun should be 7 times brighter/hotter and the moon as bright as the sun, what would happen if they should be ruling at the same time?

Some have speculated the heat would keep the water canopy suspended above the earth. If some of the time they are shining at the same time and other part of the time neither is shining, what would happen? Now if they were kept at exact opposites, then things would be much better, with each ruling the part they were designed for.