Could've been day 4; they look like stars. Could've been day 1 or before, since there was already something there when God made light.

In other words, "stars" really mean "planets". That's plausible and interesting. It means the six days of creation speak of the beginning of the solar system, just outside of, on the periphery of the Milky Way.



No.

"Stars" doesn't always mean "planets" but it sometimes does.

Gen 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

God created heaven and earth. There was water. Then God said, "Let there be light."

A LOT of people, possibly the majority, believe as you do, that God created light ALONE on the first day. That is not what the Bible says. This is the TRUE account of the matter:

On the FIRST DAY

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and DARKNESS was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was LIGHT. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

And the EVENING and the MORNING were the first day.

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I colour-coded it for you to see that in the first 24-hour period, God created the heavens and the earth and from its initial state of darkness (as it were, its evening and night) he called forth light at its morning into day.

Therefore it is written of Gen. 1:1-5, "the evening and the morning were the first day." Note what comes first and what follows.

Now, if God created "the heaven" on that first day, was Satan there watching?

Why are you obsessed with Satan? Start a thread about him and we can discuss the matter. This thread is about the age of the universe and everything in it.

Nevertheless, it is written (Job 38):

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel
by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man;
for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest?
or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened?
or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

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What do you think? Who were "the morning stars"?

One thing for certain in my mind is that the both angels and heaven existed prior to the creation of this planet that we live on.

I also believe that unfallen beings also existed and lived on their respective planets prior to the creation of our planet.

I think the morning stars were angels, or maybe the "Adams" of other planets.

In any case, that's why I'm interested in your view of Satan's presence. If Day 1 of the Genesis creation is Day 1 of everything, Satan and the morning stars could not have been there. But since they were obviously there, there must have been stuff going on before the earth was created. So, like Daryl, I believe that Day 1 here is not Day 1 everywhere.

How much older is the rest of the universe? I don't know.

One of the most difficult things people find it hard to let go of when they read Gen. 1 is modern cosmology. They just can't accept that what they are reading is a very different and primitive perspective about the universe.

In the world-view at that time, the earth was the center of everything. The earth had two satellites, the sun and the moon, and everything up above was a self-generating source of light like a ball of fire, closer or further away. There was NO concept of galaxy and galaxy clusters, of black holes or of comets or asteroids. In the sky, the gods resided and the gods could be personified by select objects there. There was therefore, no sun god but a god whose idol was the sun, and so forth.

Into this milieu of darkness came a brand new theology that God was above everything. He created everything AS WAS SEEN, the sun, moon and stars orbiting the earth; that life and light was His gift to everything that has it. Gen. 1 is NOT a doctoral thesis on cosmology but a theological statement on the origins of the universe AS EXPERIENCED AT THAT TIME.

Even Jesus adopted that ancient perspective when he was on earth. He told his disciples, "And there shall be signs in the SUN, and in the MOON, and in the STARS; and upon the EARTH distress of nations, with perplexity; the SEA and the waves roaring." (Luke 21:25). In Mark 13:25, it is written, "And THE STARS OF HEAVEN SHALL FALL, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken."

Stars falling? Shouldn't that be "a mighty shower of asteroids blazing in fire through the atmosphere, hitting the earth from every direction"?

To them, it is stars falling. To us, more sophisticated than they, it is a meteor shower (Rev. 16:21). They report what THEY SEE shall be; and we see the same thing but with far better comprehension.

Or do YOU believe that literal stars will fall?

So what did you mean by this?