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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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One thousand years does not "equal" one day. It "represents" one day. Lame.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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This passage IN NO WAY says that "one thousand years = one day". You are correct. One thousand years does not "equal" one day. It "represents" one day. Note the use of the word "as" to create a simile. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The first thousand-year "day" that we may notice in scripture is the one spoken of in Genesis 2:17. Obviously, Adam did not die the very day he ate the fruit. Neither did Eve, or she wouldn't have had any children. But Adam "only" lived 930 years--short of a full thousand years. He died that "day." By the end of that "day," his "punishment" (as relates to this topic) came. Blessings, Green Cochoa. No. The bible says a thousand years is LIKE (not that it is, or representative of, but LIKE) : 1. yesterday when it is passed (a whole day gone already) AND ALSO LIKE 2. a watch in the night (one-eighth part of a day when men sleep) Psalm 90 That in no way speaks of the creation week as being prophetic about humanity's time on earth thereafter. You are being carried away by supposed similes. ..... ...
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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One thousand years does not "equal" one day. It "represents" one day. Lame. A lion does not "equal" Christ. It "represents" Christ. And the lion is not lame. A lamb does not "equal" Christ. It "represents" Christ. And the lamb is not lame. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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This passage IN NO WAY says that "one thousand years = one day". You are correct. One thousand years does not "equal" one day. It "represents" one day. Note the use of the word "as" to create a simile. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The first thousand-year "day" that we may notice in scripture is the one spoken of in Genesis 2:17. Obviously, Adam did not die the very day he ate the fruit. Neither did Eve, or she wouldn't have had any children. But Adam "only" lived 930 years--short of a full thousand years. He died that "day." By the end of that "day," his "punishment" (as relates to this topic) came. Blessings, Green Cochoa. No. The bible says a thousand years is LIKE (not that it is, or representative of, but LIKE) : 1. yesterday when it is passed (a whole day gone already) AND ALSO LIKE 2. a watch in the night (one-eighth part of a day when men sleep) Psalm 90 That in no way speaks of the creation week as being prophetic about humanity's time on earth thereafter. You are being carried away by supposed similes. ..... ... James, Have you studied 2 Peter 3? If you have, how do you account for the fact that Peter speaks of the flood happening during days 2 & 3 of creation week? Peter tells you himself to count the days as millennia, but you seem biased against that still. What is your explanation? Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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[quote=James Peterson]This passage IN NO WAY says that "one thousand years = one day". You are correct. One thousand years does not "equal" one day. It "represents" one day. Note the use of the word "as" to create a simile. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The first thousand-year "day" that we may notice in scripture is the one spoken of in Genesis 2:17. Obviously, Adam did not die the very day he ate the fruit. Neither did Eve, or she wouldn't have had any children. But Adam "only" lived 930 years--short of a full thousand years. He died that "day." By the end of that "day," his "punishment" (as relates to this topic) came. Blessings, Green Cochoa. No. The bible says a thousand years is LIKE (not that it is, or representative of, but LIKE) : 1. yesterday when it is passed (a whole day gone already) AND ALSO LIKE 2. a watch in the night (one-eighth part of a day when men sleep) Psalm 90 That in no way speaks of the creation week as being prophetic about humanity's time on earth thereafter. You are being carried away by supposed similes. ..... ... James,
Have you studied 2 Peter 3? If you have, how do you account for the fact that Peter speaks of the flood happening during days 2 & 3 of creation week? Peter tells you himself to count the days as millennia, but you seem biased against that still. What is your explanation?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. No. Peter is quoting Psalm 90; and the Psalmist is speaking about the fleeting nature of time when viewed from a Divine perspective.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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And the lion is not lame. haw haw, you're so funny. Shall we take all occurrences where we find similes "...as a..." and make them all become symbolic? I mean, wouldn't you be one to say a simile kind of like sounds symbol which would be keeping with some similar word sounding alike things you've said in the past. Now that would be entertaining.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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And the lion is not lame. haw haw, you're so funny. Shall we take all occurrences where we find similes "...as a..." and make them all become symbolic? I mean, wouldn't you be one to say a simile kind of like sounds symbol which would be keeping with some similar word sounding alike things you've said in the past. Now that would be entertaining. If this were more coherent, and I could understand what you are trying to say, I might be able to respond to whatever question it is you are attempting to communicate. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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Shall we take all occurrences where we find similes "...as a..." and make them all become symbolic?
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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Shall we take all occurrences where we find similes "...as a..." and make them all become symbolic?
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. There is a tendency on the part of some to take such an "all or nothing" approach to everything. I find that sort of "black and white" mentality to be more common among the immature or those who lack mental ability, be it from a condition of Asperger's syndrome, lack of B12, mercury toxicity, history of drug abuse, or some other mind-impairing condition. The Word of God tells us to "study diligently" in order to "rightly divide" the Word. If we could find such easy formulas as would always apply, why would we require diligence in study? The Bible is deep. There are many truths in the Bible, both simple and complex, some at the surface, and others which must be mined. These truths are expressed in the imperfect languages of men. They have weathered imperfect translations to other languages of men. Yet they remain true, and full of meaning. If we should focus on making such hard and fast rules as defining every simile or symbol upon the presence of the phrase "as a," we should quickly be led into a complexity of errors, largely supported by our own pride of opinion. Let God's Word interpret itself. There are principles provided in the Word which teach us how to use our God-given intelligence in understanding It. If one is unaware of these principles, he or she should supplicate God for wisdom to learn them. Here is one of the beautiful descriptions of how to study God's Word that we find in Mrs. White's writings. The Bible Its Own Expositor
The Bible is its own expositor. Scripture is to be compared with scripture. The student should learn to view the word as a whole and to see the relation of its parts. He should gain a knowledge of its grand central theme-- of God's original purpose for the world, of the rise of the great controversy, and of the work of redemption. He should understand the nature of the two principles that are contending for the supremacy, and should learn to trace their working through the records of history and prophecy to the great consummation. He should see how this controversy enters into every phase of human experience; how in every act of life he himself reveals the one or the other of the two antagonistic motives; and how, whether he will or not, he is even now deciding upon which side of the controversy he will be found. {CT 462.1}
Every part of the Bible is given by inspiration of God and is profitable. The Old Testament, no less than the New, should receive attention. As we study the Old Testament we shall find living springs bubbling up where the careless reader discerns only a desert. {CT 462.2}
The Old Testament sheds light upon the New, and the New upon the Old. Each is a revelation of the glory of God in Christ. Christ as manifested to the patriarchs, as symbolized in the sacrificial service, as portrayed in the law, and as revealed by the prophets is the riches of the Old Testament. Christ in His life, His death, and His resurrection; Christ as He is manifested by the Holy Spirit, is the treasure of the New. Both Old and New present truths that will continually reveal new depths of meaning to the earnest seeker. {CT 462.3}
When a real love for the Bible is awakened, and the student begins to realize how vast is the field and how precious its treasure, he will desire to seize upon every opportunity for acquainting himself with God's word. Its study will be restricted to no special time or place. And this continuous study is one of the best means of cultivating a love for the Scriptures. Let the student keep his Bible always with him and, as he has opportunity, read a text and meditate upon it. While walking in the streets, waiting at a railway station, waiting to meet an engagement, let him improve the opportunity to gain some precious thought from the treasure house of truth. {CT 463.1}
The student of the word should not make his opinions a center around which truth is to revolve. He should not search for the purpose of finding texts of Scripture that he can construe to prove his theories, for this is wresting the Scriptures to his own destruction. The Bible student must empty himself of every prejudice, lay his own ideas at the door of investigation, and with humble, subdued heart, with self hid in Christ, with earnest prayer, he should seek wisdom from God. He should seek to know the revealed will of God because it concerns his present and eternal welfare. This word is the directory by which he must learn the way to eternal life. {CT 463.2} The last paragraph there is especially instructive for how not to study the Bible. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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Shall we take all occurrences where we find similes "...as a..." and make them all become symbolic?
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. There is a tendency on the part of some to take such an "all or nothing" approach to everything. I find that sort of "black and white" mentality to be more common among the immature or those who lack mental ability, And I find those who insist one occurrence of such absolutely means this, but another occurrence using the similar thing absolutely means something else to be among those with no principles, those who drift from one opinion to another. That's why you read into God slew Saul means one thing and God slew someone else means completely another. If we should focus on making such hard and fast rules as defining every simile or symbol upon the presence of the phrase "as a," we should quickly be led into a complexity of errors, largely supported by our own pride of opinion.
And leading into complexity is exactly my point why one should not even start on insisting it absolutely means such and such. Don't let the pride of your opinion wrest the scripture into equating a day === 1000 years. As you indicate, it will only lead to great complexity. And what have you just said: you can't compare scripture with scripture for each scripture has it's own formed opinion which changes from one to the next. <blockquote style="background:#f9f9f9;border-left:10px solid #ccc;margin:1.5em 10px;padding:.5em 10px;quotes:"\201C""\201D""\2018""\2019";"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ellen White</div> The Bible Its Own Expositor
The student of the word should not make his opinions a center around which truth is to revolve. He should not search for the purpose of finding texts of Scripture that he can construe to prove his theories, for this is wresting the Scriptures to his own destruction. The Bible student must empty himself of every prejudice, lay his own ideas at the door of investigation, and with humble, subdued heart, with self hid in Christ, with earnest prayer, he should seek wisdom from God. He should seek to know the revealed will of God because it concerns his present and eternal welfare. This word is the directory by which he must learn the way to eternal life. {CT 463.2} </blockquote>
The last paragraph there is especially instructive for how not to study the Bible.
And isn't that what you are doing for insisting on "as a" means it is to be used as symbolic in that verse but only because you have already constructed such a theory? By saying you can't compare scripture with scripture?
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