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Re: Answers; When the judgment of the living began. [Re: Charity] #143682
06/23/12 01:30 PM
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Mark, I hope you factor in that although 9/11 allowed another invasion of the Middle East, the four hijacked planes, with consequences, has not been proven as an Islamist plot.

There is little, if any supporting evidence.

But there is a very large body of evidence to show that the official story is a poorly concocted lie.

Many church-goers have been deceived because they rely on the mass media as an objective source, when it has proven (Vietnam et al.) to be a government mouthpiece. But God has never called His people to follow the heathen (gentile) scribes, except as a severe chastening.

If we propogate a lie, especially one which is used to wage intense war on innocents, we become complicit and liars ourselves. Perhaps your prophetic views do not rely upon the cause of this conflict. I've not examined thenm closely.

It would also help if you would carefully define "faithful Protestant clergy."

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Re: Answers; When the judgment of the living began. [Re: gordonb1] #143683
06/23/12 01:55 PM
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How do radical, jihadist Muslims fit in the following picture:

The line of distinction between professed Christians and the ungodly is now hardly distinguishable. Church members love what the world loves and are ready to join with them, and Satan determines to unite them in one body and thus strengthen his cause by sweeping all into the ranks of spiritualism. Papists, who boast of miracles as a certain sign of the true church, will be readily deceived by this wonder-working power; and Protestants, having cast away the shield of truth, will also be deluded. Papists, Protestants, and worldlings will alike accept the form of godliness without the power, and they will see in this union a grand movement for the conversion of the world and the ushering in of the long-expected millennium. {GC 588.3}

Through spiritualism, Satan appears as a benefactor of the race, healing the diseases of the people, and professing to present a new and more exalted system of religious faith; but at the same time he works as a destroyer. His temptations are leading multitudes to ruin. Intemperance dethrones reason; sensual indulgence, strife, and bloodshed follow. Satan delights in war, for it excites the worst passions of the soul and then sweeps into eternity its victims steeped in vice and blood. It is his object to incite the nations to war against one another, for he can thus divert the minds of the people from the work of preparation to stand in the day of God. {GC 589.1}

Re: Answers; When the judgment of the living began. [Re: Mountain Man] #143689
06/23/12 02:43 PM
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I believe jihad has become a pejorative term used to racially isolate Muslims as radical killers. But jihad refers to zeal for one's faith, a struggle which all Christians will understand as true soldiers for Christ.

Satan changed the emphasis so that we view Muslim jihad (religious fervor) as a deadly threat.
At the same time we justify another crusade by "soldiers for Christ" who use torture and Depleted Uranium.
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Re: Answers; When the judgment of the living began. [Re: gordonb1] #143690
06/23/12 03:02 PM
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"Radical jihadist Muslims" is a term used by Western powers to justify breaking the Ten Commandments. It illustrates the controlling influence of Roman Catholicism upon the Western mind.

Here we find racism and genocide, as practiced against negroes and other weaker populations.

It's such a shame, when all our wealth and skills and technology were meant to be used to help and serve the downtrodden in the service of Christ. Instead we call the earth our own and destroy those who are different.

And so a Day of Judgment.

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Re: Answers; When the judgment of the living began. [Re: gordonb1] #143693
06/23/12 03:24 PM
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The reason the hand that came against us on Sept 11, 2001 were Islamist was in fulfillment of this prophecy.

Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the Lord said to her,

“Behold, you are pregnant
and shall bear a son.
You shall call his name Ishmael,
because the Lord has listened to your affliction.
12 He shall be a wild donkey of a man,
his hand against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”

The rift between Isaac and Ishmael is still affecting the world. When 'they' cry peace and safety then sudden destruction comes. But this conflict is just a detractor of Satan, because the true end time struggle is against the people of God, the Commandment keeping Christians. Seventh Day Adventists.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Answers; When the judgment of the living began. [Re: jamesonofthunder] #154574
08/01/13 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
The reason the hand that came against us on Sept 11, 2001 were Islamist was in fulfillment of this prophecy.

Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the Lord said to her,

“Behold, you are pregnant
and shall bear a son.
You shall call his name Ishmael,
because the Lord has listened to your affliction.
12 He shall be a wild donkey of a man,
his hand against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”

The rift between Isaac and Ishmael is still affecting the world. When 'they' cry peace and safety then sudden destruction comes. But this conflict is just a detractor of Satan, because the true end time struggle is against the people of God, the Commandment keeping Christians. Seventh Day Adventists.



LOL

That's not true at all.

Re: Answers; When the judgment of the living began. [Re: James Peterson] #154581
08/01/13 01:42 PM
08/01/13 01:42 PM
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welcome James. smile

Can you elaborate as to why you think that isn't true?

Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
The reason the hand that came against us on Sept 11, 2001 were Islamist was in fulfillment of this prophecy.

Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the Lord said to her,

“Behold, you are pregnant
and shall bear a son.
You shall call his name Ishmael,
because the Lord has listened to your affliction.
12 He shall be a wild donkey of a man,
his hand against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”

The rift between Isaac and Ishmael is still affecting the world. When 'they' cry peace and safety then sudden destruction comes. But this conflict is just a detractor of Satan, because the true end time struggle is against the people of God, the Commandment keeping Christians. Seventh Day Adventists.



LOL

That's not true at all.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Answers; When the judgment of the living began. [Re: Daryl] #154583
08/01/13 05:45 PM
08/01/13 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
welcome James. smile

Can you elaborate as to why you think that isn't true?

Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
The reason the hand that came against us on Sept 11, 2001 were Islamist was in fulfillment of this prophecy.

Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the Lord said to her,

“Behold, you are pregnant
and shall bear a son.
You shall call his name Ishmael,
because the Lord has listened to your affliction.
12 He shall be a wild donkey of a man,
his hand against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”

The rift between Isaac and Ishmael is still affecting the world. When 'they' cry peace and safety then sudden destruction comes. But this conflict is just a detractor of Satan, because the true end time struggle is against the people of God, the Commandment keeping Christians. Seventh Day Adventists.



LOL

That's not true at all.


It's one of quite a few indications that SDA do not really read the Bible, nor use the Bible to interpret itself.

Anyway, Paul describes for us how Gen. 16 plays itself out in reality. He said:
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Gal 4:22 ... it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Gal 4:24 WHICH THINGS ARE AN ALLEGORY: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
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It is evident that the sons of Ishmael are, in the present dispensation of the Church, in fact children of Judaism; and the sons of Isaac, the children of Christianity.

But there are many who follow their own hearts and declare Islam, by some weird geographical and genealogical lines and by the word of Mohammed, to be of Ishmael and in a very shallow manner, point to "Islamic jihad" as some kind of fulfilment of the prophecy, misunderstanding it.

Re: Answers; When the judgment of the living began. [Re: James Peterson] #154706
08/06/13 09:10 PM
08/06/13 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: Daryl
welcome James. smile

Can you elaborate as to why you think that isn't true?

Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
The reason the hand that came against us on Sept 11, 2001 were Islamist was in fulfillment of this prophecy.


LOL

That's not true at all.


My reply isn't so much from the Bible, but from what I've read on the issue --
September 11 was an inside job, not a Muslim job.

It was a major work to break the independence of the American people and get laws passed that would take away the freedoms of Americans and give the government more totalitarian control.

Re: Answers; When the judgment of the living began. [Re: dedication] #154708
08/06/13 09:13 PM
08/06/13 09:13 PM
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We don't know when the judgment on the living begins.

The important thing is to live daily in right relationship with Christ.
We don't even know if we will be alive tomorrow.

Today is the day of salvation, harden not your hearts.

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