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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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7 When the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
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What do you think? Who were "the morning stars"? I think the morning stars were angels, or maybe the "Adams" of other planets. In any case, that's why I'm interested in your view of Satan's presence. If Day 1 of the Genesis creation is Day 1 of everything, Satan and the morning stars could not have been there. But since they were obviously there, there must have been stuff going on before the earth was created. So, like Daryl, I believe that Day 1 here is not Day 1 everywhere. How much older is the rest of the universe? I don't know. That's not true. Gen. 1 takes the position that the "abode of God and His Kingdom" is in the realm of an invisible (to human perception) dimension. Jesus says plainly that "God is spirit," that spirit "is not material." God can reach us, but we can't Him. Gen. 1 takes the position that "heaven and earth" was a dark and watery world, and that out of that cold mass, heaven (and all that is in it) and earth (and all that is on it) was formed. It is akin to the Big Bang theory, except that what scientists call the "initial point of singularity", Gen. 1:1 calls "heaven and earth in a cold, dark, liquid, shapeless form." Then God separated out all the huge "elements" and gave each its own glory and purpose. ******* ADMIN EDIT DONE *******
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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7 When the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
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What do you think? Who were "the morning stars"? I think the morning stars were angels, or maybe the "Adams" of other planets. In any case, that's why I'm interested in your view of Satan's presence. If Day 1 of the Genesis creation is Day 1 of everything, Satan and the morning stars could not have been there. But since they were obviously there, there must have been stuff going on before the earth was created. So, like Daryl, I believe that Day 1 here is not Day 1 everywhere. How much older is the rest of the universe? I don't know. That's not true. Other than your own assertion, where do you get that? Gen. 1 takes the position that the "abode of God and His Kingdom" is in the realm of an invisible (to human perception) dimension. What verse did you get that from? I don't remember that in Gen 1. Gen. 1 takes the position that "heaven and earth" was a dark and watery world, and that out of that cold mass, heaven (and all that is in it) and earth (and all that is on it) was formed. It is akin to the Big Bang theory, except that what scientists call the "initial point of singularity", Gen. 1:1 calls "heaven and earth in a cold, dark, liquid, shapeless form." It doesn't say heaven was that way. All that Gen 1:1 says is that God created heaven. It doesn't say when He did it or what it looked like. Plus, what is the source of energy that keeps that water liquid? In a complete vacuum, the lack of heat would cause it to freeze and I think the low pressure will cause it to sublimate. But you didn't answer your own question. Who were the "morning stars"?
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And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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[quote=James Peterson]7 When the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
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What do you think? Who were "the morning stars"? I think the morning stars were angels, or maybe the "Adams" of other planets. In any case, that's why I'm interested in your view of Satan's presence. If Day 1 of the Genesis creation is Day 1 of everything, Satan and the morning stars could not have been there. But since they were obviously there, there must have been stuff going on before the earth was created. So, like Daryl, I believe that Day 1 here is not Day 1 everywhere. How much older is the rest of the universe? I don't know. That's not true. Other than your own assertion, where do you get that? Gen. 1 takes the position that the "abode of God and His Kingdom" is in the realm of an invisible (to human perception) dimension. What verse did you get that from? I don't remember that in Gen 1. Gen. 1 takes the position that "heaven and earth" was a dark and watery world, and that out of that cold mass, heaven (and all that is in it) and earth (and all that is on it) was formed. It is akin to the Big Bang theory, except that what scientists call the "initial point of singularity", Gen. 1:1 calls "heaven and earth in a cold, dark, liquid, shapeless form." It doesn't say heaven was that way. All that Gen 1:1 says is that God created heaven. It doesn't say when He did it or what it looked like. Plus, what is the source of energy that keeps that water liquid? In a complete vacuum, the lack of heat would cause it to freeze and I think the low pressure will cause it to sublimate. But you didn't answer your own question. Who were the "morning stars"? [/quote] Heaven: Gen. 1:8 Morning stars & sons of God: Holy spirit (like God), angels, existing outside of "heaven and earth", outside our universe in other dimensions. I BEG YOU ... read the Bible directly. These are the last days and there are false prophets roaming about fooling people, causing them to believe lies. ... ..
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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Gen. 1 takes the position that the "abode of God and His Kingdom" is in the realm of an invisible (to human perception) dimension.
What verse did you get that from? I don't remember that in Gen 1.
Gen. 1 takes the position that "heaven and earth" was a dark and watery world, and that out of that cold mass, heaven (and all that is in it) and earth (and all that is on it) was formed. It is akin to the Big Bang theory, except that what scientists call the "initial point of singularity", Gen. 1:1 calls "heaven and earth in a cold, dark, liquid, shapeless form."
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." It doesn't say heaven was that way. All that Gen 1:1 says is that God created heaven. It doesn't say when He did it or what it looked like. Plus, what is the source of energy that keeps that water liquid? In a complete vacuum, the lack of heat would cause it to freeze and I think the low pressure will cause it to sublimate. But you didn't answer your own question. Who were the "morning stars"? Heaven: Gen. 1:8 Morning stars & sons of God: Holy spirit (like God), angels, existing outside of "heaven and earth", outside our universe in other dimensions. I BEG YOU ... read the Bible directly. These are the last days and there are false prophets roaming about fooling people, causing them to believe lies. .... ...
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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Several issues brought up here. The earth was already in existence before creation week. Life on earth may have been created 6000 years ago, but the earth is at least 6000+ years old. Ge 1:14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Ge 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Ge 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
What is the definition of heaven and what is the definition of earth as defined by Genesis 1.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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The earth was already in existence before creation week. Life on earth may have been created 6000 years ago, but the earth is at least 6000+ years old. Gen. 1 doesn't say so. It says in the beginning, that is: from the start of day 1, God created "heaven and earth" and it was a primordial mass in darkness. And out of that mass, he separated out the heaven, and the earth too. In heaven, he created the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, he created plants, animals and man. Then on the Sabbath day, he spent a whole day with his children in his garden. And he loved it. He said, "Let us do this EVERY WEEK." What is the definition of heaven and what is the definition of earth as defined by Genesis 1. Heaven? That would be Gen. 1:8 And the Earth? Well, that would be Gen. 1:10 ... ..
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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Heaven: Gen. 1:8
Morning stars & sons of God: Holy spirit (like God), angels, existing outside of "heaven and earth", outside our universe in other dimensions.
I BEG YOU ... read the Bible directly. These are the last days and there are false prophets roaming about fooling people, causing them to believe lies. If angels existed before Day 1, then it is obvious that other things were created before Day 1. What Bible verse did you read that taught you that morning stars and sons of God are the Holy Spirit and angels in other dimensions? I don't remember ever reading that directly in the Bible.
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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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If angels existed before Day 1, then it is obvious that other things were created before Day 1.
Gen. 1 is about the creation of what has become a physical universe of black holes, exploding stars, barren wasteland and death and suffering. What Bible verse did you read that taught you that morning stars and sons of God are the Holy Spirit and angels in other dimensions? I don't remember ever reading that directly in the Bible. The abode of God and the angels is outside our physical universe. Jesus said, "God is spirit". There're angels walking about you, and you don't even know. ... ..
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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08/13/13 05:22 PM
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If angels existed before Day 1, then it is obvious that other things were created before Day 1.
Gen. 1 is about the creation of what has become a physical universe of black holes, exploding stars, barren wasteland and death and suffering. So why do you disagree that other things existed before Day 1? And what Bible verse places the limitation of Day 1 the way you do? Why not limit it to the Solar System? Why not limit it to the extent of unaided human vision? What verse gave you that idea?
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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